Important news about 90-day report
Important news about 90-day report
I live permanently in Phetchabun but have a house in Hua Hin (where I´m "registered") that I mostly rent out. For my 90-day reports I´ve altered between Hua Hin and Phitsanulok depending on where I am for the moment without any problems. A week ago I visited Phitsanulok on the last day for my 90-day report and was told by the officer that this now had to be done in Hua Hin where I´m "registered" (always same place). The change was made recently because of the floodings for some reason. Panic. First they suggested that I post my application to Hua Hin since you apparently can be one week late (I must admit that posting the application was news to me in spite of my living here in Thailand for nearly four years...). After a while they changed their mind because I had a document (I think from the time when we were married) saying in Thai that I lived with my wife on this address in Phetchabun and then I could apply there in Phitsanulok - and for all future occasions! Maybe you guys knew about this already but I thought I share my experience anyway!
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centermid7
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Re: Important news about 90-day report
Along those same lines, what is involved with moving from one location in Thailand to another? In terms of the 90 day reporting that is. I'm going to be doing so in a month or so. Is there some reporting that has to be done at my current location before I move or is it all taken care of at the new immi center when my next 90 day time rolls around? Or do I need to report in there just as soon as I move?
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I think you're supposed to report at your new location immediately (Not sure of the exact time frame, but may be even within 24 hours).
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Vital Spark
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Parbeau: You can certainly do it by post (send it EMS), you send copies of the relevant pages of your passport - we did many moons ago, but it depends on the office. Each office seems to have their own set of rules. The Nakhon Pathom office won't let us post it because they said we're just up the road - it's a 30 minute journey out of the main city and a pain. The Kanchanaburi office (next province), which is really friendly, said we could use them if we wanted to.
I don't think that any records of the 90-day reporting are computerized, and the slip in your passport doesn't specify a particular province - so the less information you give the better. All you need is that little slip of paper.
I've just spent an hour or two of my valuable time today trying to pay them 2,000 baht because Mr.VS forgot to do his report. No, no, the wicked witch said. He has to come here himself and sign a piece of paper. I'm giving you 2,000 baht - why does he have to sign for it? Grrr... I gave her a gritted-teeth smile and walked away. Sadly, the more honest you are about anything connected with the immigration department, the more hoops they ask you to jump through.
VS
I don't think that any records of the 90-day reporting are computerized, and the slip in your passport doesn't specify a particular province - so the less information you give the better. All you need is that little slip of paper.
I've just spent an hour or two of my valuable time today trying to pay them 2,000 baht because Mr.VS forgot to do his report. No, no, the wicked witch said. He has to come here himself and sign a piece of paper. I'm giving you 2,000 baht - why does he have to sign for it? Grrr... I gave her a gritted-teeth smile and walked away. Sadly, the more honest you are about anything connected with the immigration department, the more hoops they ask you to jump through.
VS
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Re: Important news about 90-day report
I have done my 90 days reporting approx 2 weeks ago, seems its computerized now and you get a printout with a bar code.
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Re: Important news about 90-day report
Did mine in HH last week and got the same torn-off bit of the form I had to fill out by hand.
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This is just another example of the petty rules and the individual "officers" interpretation of them.
What happens if you happen to be in Koh Samui, or Chiang Mai or Nakorn Nowhere and you are registered in Hua Hin, when the 90 day is due?????? The rule, as I have been shown, states that you must report your "address" every 90 days. It does not say anything about where the rest of your paperwork may be. It also does not say on any visa or extension that I have seen, that you have to remain at your stated address for the duration of your stay in Thailand!
I have asked this question several times at several different immigration places, and have been given the now to be expected several different answers. I sometimes do mine in Bangkok, although my "registered" address is in Hua Hin.
There is a relatively new "one stop service centre" in Bangkok that is easily accessible by the BTS / MRT. The first time I went there it was accepted without question. The second time the wicked witches sister would not accept it. On the counter there was a notice printed in English that stated "exit / re entry permits and 90 day reports can be submitted here". I politely pointed it out to her and she retorted: "oh, that is wrong!"
I dug my heals in and asked to see the "boss". Much to my surprise, after about 10 minutes waiting I was shown into an office. The "boss" turn out to be a bit down the pecking order but was most apologetic and polite, and more concerned with telling me all about the house he had in Hua Hin. He also informed me that the office recently had a new "big boss" and HE had decided to change the rule concerning the 90 day BS. He wrote me out a small note with directions on it and asked me to go to the main Government Centre in Chang Wattana road, where the report was accepted without comment. (and also on a couple of subsquent occasions)
I guess you have to go along with their flow, but you do not have to accept what they tell you at face value!
What happens if you happen to be in Koh Samui, or Chiang Mai or Nakorn Nowhere and you are registered in Hua Hin, when the 90 day is due?????? The rule, as I have been shown, states that you must report your "address" every 90 days. It does not say anything about where the rest of your paperwork may be. It also does not say on any visa or extension that I have seen, that you have to remain at your stated address for the duration of your stay in Thailand!
I have asked this question several times at several different immigration places, and have been given the now to be expected several different answers. I sometimes do mine in Bangkok, although my "registered" address is in Hua Hin.
There is a relatively new "one stop service centre" in Bangkok that is easily accessible by the BTS / MRT. The first time I went there it was accepted without question. The second time the wicked witches sister would not accept it. On the counter there was a notice printed in English that stated "exit / re entry permits and 90 day reports can be submitted here". I politely pointed it out to her and she retorted: "oh, that is wrong!"
I dug my heals in and asked to see the "boss". Much to my surprise, after about 10 minutes waiting I was shown into an office. The "boss" turn out to be a bit down the pecking order but was most apologetic and polite, and more concerned with telling me all about the house he had in Hua Hin. He also informed me that the office recently had a new "big boss" and HE had decided to change the rule concerning the 90 day BS. He wrote me out a small note with directions on it and asked me to go to the main Government Centre in Chang Wattana road, where the report was accepted without comment. (and also on a couple of subsquent occasions)
I guess you have to go along with their flow, but you do not have to accept what they tell you at face value!
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Re: Important news about 90-day report
The rules regarding 90 day reports and a change of address/province/local Imm office are "set in stone" but somewhat arbitrary when enforced by local offices.
You should report to the office that is local to you. You should report a change of address or province within 24 hours of having done so. You have a 7 day before or 7 day after window of opportunity to do the 90 day report without getting fined.
Some Imm offices will overlook minor indiscretions, some may not even notice them, but if you transgress, you are liable for a fine.
90 day reporting by mail is possible, but some offices don't like it as VS has mentioned.
So, overall, there are no hard and fast "day-by-day" rules that you can be sure of.
As far as the OP's case is concerned, just look at it that it makes sense for your records to be kept at the office that is closest to where you spend most of your time. I can't comment on individual offices but it will probably be worth your while checking with both of them as to which one has the pleasure of dealing with you.
You should report to the office that is local to you. You should report a change of address or province within 24 hours of having done so. You have a 7 day before or 7 day after window of opportunity to do the 90 day report without getting fined.
Some Imm offices will overlook minor indiscretions, some may not even notice them, but if you transgress, you are liable for a fine.
90 day reporting by mail is possible, but some offices don't like it as VS has mentioned.
So, overall, there are no hard and fast "day-by-day" rules that you can be sure of.
As far as the OP's case is concerned, just look at it that it makes sense for your records to be kept at the office that is closest to where you spend most of your time. I can't comment on individual offices but it will probably be worth your while checking with both of them as to which one has the pleasure of dealing with you.
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Re: Important news about 90-day report
One more for the above list - you don't have to report in person. My previous university used to take care of it for me, and now my wife usually goes on my behalf.
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Another petite update:
Mr.VS went today and paid up big. Had to sign four forms for his misdemeanour, and had a large stamp in his passport to tell everyone he'd been a naughty boy.
More importantly:
It was confirmed by our immigration that you can do your 90 day reporting from 15 days before the due date and 7 days after . I found this info. on the government website, printed it out in Thai, and they confirmed that it was the 'current' ruling.
VS
Mr.VS went today and paid up big. Had to sign four forms for his misdemeanour, and had a large stamp in his passport to tell everyone he'd been a naughty boy.
More importantly:
It was confirmed by our immigration that you can do your 90 day reporting from 15 days before the due date and 7 days after . I found this info. on the government website, printed it out in Thai, and they confirmed that it was the 'current' ruling.
VS
"Properly trained, man can be a dog's best friend"
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Based on reports I've read on "the other forum," that is the case only in Bangkok. Which office did you experience the computerize printout with bar code?georgy wrote:I have done my 90 days reporting approx 2 weeks ago, seems its computerized now and you get a printout with a bar code.
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I think you are benefiting by a laid-back (and quite nice) attitude from the Kanchanaburi office. A few years ago the rules changed whereby you are required to do the 90-day report (and apply for extensions) only at your assigned office. Someplace there is supposedly a map of the regions.Vital Spark wrote:Parbeau: You can certainly do it by post (send it EMS), you send copies of the relevant pages of your passport - we did many moons ago, but it depends on the office. Each office seems to have their own set of rules. The Nakhon Pathom office won't let us post it because they said we're just up the road - it's a 30 minute journey out of the main city and a pain. The Kanchanaburi office (next province), which is really friendly, said we could use them if we wanted to.
There is a specific form -- a TM.28-- that you are supposed to submit when you change your residence. Granted, it appears not to be enforced at all, but if they are looking for things to charge you with, I suppose it would work. (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they are not out to get you.
)When I moved to Hua Hin last spring, I reported to Hua Hin Immigrations to submit a TM.28 to report my new residence, just in case they tried to refuse a 90-day report or visa extension from me. The Immigrations Officer thanked me for my effort, and commented that they don't see that form being used very often.