Is this the start of another Coup?

sargeant · Post by **sargeant** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 9:25 am

I reckon you have put it exactely as i see it. I did not think this high season was gonna be any good before all this but i think this will be the kiss of death on it.

Post by **Winkie** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:11 am

EC resolves to seek PPP's dissolution

The Election Commission Tuesday voted unanimously to seek an order of the Constitution Court to dissolve the People Power Party.

The Election Commission Tuesday voted unanimously to seek an order of the Constitution Court to dissolve the People Power Party in connection of vote buying by its former deputy leader Yongyuth Tiyapairat.

The EC voted that the PPP had to be held responsible for vote buying committed by Yongyuth so the EC would file a suit with the Constitution Court, asking the court to dissolve the party.

The Nation

Post by JD » Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:31 am

Winkie wrote:EC resolves to seek PPP's dissolution

The Election Commission Tuesday voted unanimously to seek an order of the Constitution Court to dissolve the People Power Party.

The Election Commission Tuesday voted unanimously to seek an order of the Constitution Court to dissolve the People Power Party in connection of vote buying by its former deputy leader Yongyuth Tiyapairat.

The EC voted that the PPP had to be held responsible for vote buying committed by Yongyuth so the EC would file a suit with the Constitution Court, asking the court to dissolve the party.

The Nation

So Samak as leader of the PPP declared a State of Emergency last night. He is not only PM but also, I think, in charge of Internal Security. Will he accept the EC decision whilst in a State of Emergency?

I think he has the power to do almost anything (legally?) whilst SoE is in place. I can see him using these powers today to get some pay back against PAD and it's leaders.

This is going to get even uglier over the next few hours and days. The One who can put an end to this situation has to do so NOW, for the sake of the people and the international reputation of Thailand.

sargeant · Post by **sargeant** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:49 am

There just doesnt seem to be a quiet way out of this
1... If Samack stands down and calls elections what happens if he wins again
2... If Samack stands down and calls elections and the opposition win what chance the PPP side start protests the same
3... If he caves in and hands it to PAD and their 75%/25% how long before the other side do what PAD are doing or another coup de tat because they are corrupt

Glad i live in a cul de sac

Post by **Winkie** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:57 am

IF Samak stands done and the PPP run for re-election, of course Samak should not be nomimated as the PM candidate.

His PM career is over, if he cares for this country.

Post by JD » Tue Sep 02, 2008 12:05 pm

sargeant wrote:There just doesnt seem to be a quiet way out of this
1... If Samack stands down and calls elections what happens if he wins again
I didn't think he did win, even with all the 'supposed' vote buying, it's a coalition government isn't it.

2... If Samack stands down and calls elections and the opposition win what chance the PPP side start protests the same
The Election Commission has voted to dissolve the PPP, doesn't that mean a five year ban for it's MP's, similar to what happened to the TRT MP's.

3... If he caves in and hands it to PAD and their 75%/25% how long before the other side do what PAD are doing or another coup de tat because they are corrupt
PAD stand no chance of winning an election, I don't think they even want to contest one. Any election will take place as per the Constitution in place at the moment.

Glad i live in a cul de sac
Is that why you do so many U-turns?

sargeant · Post by **sargeant** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 12:09 pm

The biggest problem with this country IMHO is that niether the election commission nor the judiciary are impartial or independant
Mr T had both in his pocket then the Junta sacked and appointed both sets new from the democratic partys pick list it just goes back and forth like a pendulum
nothing is a better glue or cement for a true democracy than the independence and impartiality of the judiciary and the election commission
because niether side can have any trust in them for any length of time necessary to give stability needed for a democracy to grow

Post by **kendo** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 12:17 pm

The wife is in Surin, and has told me that a political party is paying hundreds of people to go down to Bangkok.

Kendo.

sargeant · Post by **sargeant** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 12:17 pm

You are correct JD PAD wouldnt win an election hence they want the 75% of mps appointed including PM chancellor and all ministers and of course the PAD leaders are gonna go home and grow Orchids

Yes TRT was disbanded and yes they had MPs banned for 5 years and yes PPP had 29 MPs disqualified for voting irregularities and still won the larger number of seats what makes you think it wont happen again

Post by JD » Tue Sep 02, 2008 12:37 pm

I don't expect anything to change.

Until the people stop accepting bribes for votes, and political parties stop offering them in the first place, this situation will always continue.

The PAD 'mandate' of 75% appointed MP's will never happen. The constitution as it stands is the one that any election will be run by.

The problem with disbanding political parties and banning members from running again is flawed.

I'm sure Thaksin and Samak have put their closest and most trusted people in prominent positions in both their governments. But neither of them are stupid enough to take someone who is so bloody good at their job out and put their cousin in his place.

There has to have been many, very good MP's from both their governments, who were the best person for that position in government, that they left to get on with their jobs.

These people, through no wrongdoing of their own, cannot now be MP's.

Who suffers?
The people do. Disbanding political parties and banning whole groups of MP's because of the few corrupt is nonsense.

Post by **buksida** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 12:55 pm

PAD would not run for election ... the Democrat party would as they did before. PAD's leaders are not politicians, they are ex-military, academics and media moguls. People also forget that PPP did not win by outright majority - they needed to 'buy up' a couple of other parties to form a coalition (which rapidly fell apart).

As someone said earlier this is going to end in mess whatever happens now, there is no good outcome and we're probably looking at another year or so of the military screwing up the country before another general election is called, votes are bought and the whole cycle starts again.

Thailand is simply not ready for western style democracy yet.

ps: Anyone remember my 'predictions' from last year? All coming true.

sargeant · Post by **sargeant** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 1:01 pm

quote jd ........ I totally agree
Disbanding political parties and banning whole groups of MP's because of the few corrupt is nonsense.
Quote myself
The biggest problem with this country IMHO is that niether the election commission nor the judiciary are impartial or independant

Since the junta Appointed a new election commission the only party banned is TRT and now they are trying to ban the PPP the only MPs banned are TRT and PPP only one Democratic MP has been banned

PAD supporters are massively pro democratic party voters and if the Democratic party had the country at heart they would stand up and say stop but they have not

Post by **buksida** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 1:07 pm

sargeant wrote: PAD supporters are massively pro democratic party voters and if the Democratic party had the country at heart they would stand up and say stop but they have not

The democrats have neither approved or disapproved of the protests, probably for fear of losing their some of their vote base by siding with the current government which has essentially been the cause of the uprising.

I don't believe there has ever been a politician or party that truly has the country at heart.

Post by **Bamboo Grove** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 1:07 pm

Sometimes reading Thai political news is like reading Crutchley´s post script new year´s predictions - all seen before.

sargeant · Post by **sargeant** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 1:16 pm

Quote Buksi.... 100% with you there
I don't believe there has ever been a politician or party that truly has the country at heart.
Quote Buksi....100% with you there
As someone said earlier this is going to end in mess whatever happens now, there is no good outcome and we're probably looking at another year or so of the military screwing up the country before another general election is called, votes are bought and the whole cycle starts again.
Quote me
There just doesnt seem to be a quiet way out of this