Filling in the Gaps at Ayutthaya (photo report)
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They all looked in pretty good repair as well. Maybe the wood, I don't know, but I think I could enjoy a few nights on board. It was also noticeable that many had aircon installed e.g.:
Additionally, most of the barges had living quarters on the back. Many had aircon, and a few had solar panels on the roof. I didn't photograph a good example, but I have cropped the following out of a photo, and you can see the rooftop solar panels:
Additionally, most of the barges had living quarters on the back. Many had aircon, and a few had solar panels on the roof. I didn't photograph a good example, but I have cropped the following out of a photo, and you can see the rooftop solar panels:
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Part 4
Tuesday Evening:
We decided to spend a pleasant evening at the Hotel’s Suan Rim Nam restaurant.
A beautiful setting alongside the river, which was a perfect place to watch the river activity as well.
Live music (one of the worst bands I’ve heard in Thailand)
to entertain us, and top-notch food. We even got told that if we checked in to the hotel on Facebook, with a photo, it was 10% off – thank you very much.
It was then to the TV to watch Thailand get knocked out of the World Cup.
Wednesday Morning:
A lot of excitement this morning. We were on our way down to breakfast, waiting for the lift, when I looked out the window from the 9th floor to check my car. Barriers surrounding my car, with police and security everywhere. Initial thoughts – nobody’s going to steal it with all of that protection.
I sat down to breakfast, still looking at the activity around my car. I was quite concerned, but my wife did not seem bothered one little bit. I’m actually waiting for the tow truck to arrive, after all, we are in a posh hotel, and a 12 year old pick-up looks very out of place in the car park. We’ve been using Grab, so maybe they thought it was abandoned. Then applying logic, why the barriers, security guards and police? One security officer could have handled a tow-away.
I could actually feel my blood pressure rising as I was eating my breakfast. Then a lot more activity, and even more police arrive. Occasionally, an officer would look into the restaurant. I’m starting to feel very paranoid, but my wife wasn’t the least bit concerned.
About 15 minutes into my breakfast, the barriers were being moved – I’m looking for the tow truck. Then some very smart cars started arriving. It was a procession of Thai hi-sos, who were full of their own importance. Police and security bowing as if bows were going out of fashion. Surprise, surprise, the lift was able to be called to floor 1 to collect all of these very important people. My wife was impressed at the dignitaries, but as I pointed out – I was paying to be there, I doubt they were.
I’ll bet my car has never felt so posh. I hope none of the dignitaries brushed against it and got their posh suits, and smart dresses dirty.
Just an update to this story………
As I pulled out of the parking bay on our way to Wat Niwet Thammaprawat, there was a security guard there ready to block the bay off with a barrier stating VIP.
When we got back, all empty parking bays were blocked with VIP barriers. I found a space where there was just enough room to inch my way in, avoiding the barrier. The guard came running up, but too late, I was parked. In my opinion, I am a paying guest, so I am a Very Important Person to the hotel. The publicity spiel states ‘Free Parking’ for hotel guests, not for hangers on, visiting the hotel. My car stayed where I’d parked it – in a space I was paying dearly for.
To be continued…………………………..
Tuesday Evening:
We decided to spend a pleasant evening at the Hotel’s Suan Rim Nam restaurant.
A beautiful setting alongside the river, which was a perfect place to watch the river activity as well.
Live music (one of the worst bands I’ve heard in Thailand)
to entertain us, and top-notch food. We even got told that if we checked in to the hotel on Facebook, with a photo, it was 10% off – thank you very much.
It was then to the TV to watch Thailand get knocked out of the World Cup.
Wednesday Morning:
A lot of excitement this morning. We were on our way down to breakfast, waiting for the lift, when I looked out the window from the 9th floor to check my car. Barriers surrounding my car, with police and security everywhere. Initial thoughts – nobody’s going to steal it with all of that protection.
I sat down to breakfast, still looking at the activity around my car. I was quite concerned, but my wife did not seem bothered one little bit. I’m actually waiting for the tow truck to arrive, after all, we are in a posh hotel, and a 12 year old pick-up looks very out of place in the car park. We’ve been using Grab, so maybe they thought it was abandoned. Then applying logic, why the barriers, security guards and police? One security officer could have handled a tow-away.
I could actually feel my blood pressure rising as I was eating my breakfast. Then a lot more activity, and even more police arrive. Occasionally, an officer would look into the restaurant. I’m starting to feel very paranoid, but my wife wasn’t the least bit concerned.
About 15 minutes into my breakfast, the barriers were being moved – I’m looking for the tow truck. Then some very smart cars started arriving. It was a procession of Thai hi-sos, who were full of their own importance. Police and security bowing as if bows were going out of fashion. Surprise, surprise, the lift was able to be called to floor 1 to collect all of these very important people. My wife was impressed at the dignitaries, but as I pointed out – I was paying to be there, I doubt they were.
I’ll bet my car has never felt so posh. I hope none of the dignitaries brushed against it and got their posh suits, and smart dresses dirty.
Just an update to this story………
As I pulled out of the parking bay on our way to Wat Niwet Thammaprawat, there was a security guard there ready to block the bay off with a barrier stating VIP.
When we got back, all empty parking bays were blocked with VIP barriers. I found a space where there was just enough room to inch my way in, avoiding the barrier. The guard came running up, but too late, I was parked. In my opinion, I am a paying guest, so I am a Very Important Person to the hotel. The publicity spiel states ‘Free Parking’ for hotel guests, not for hangers on, visiting the hotel. My car stayed where I’d parked it – in a space I was paying dearly for.
To be continued…………………………..
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Part 5
Wat Niwet Thammaprawat:
My first time driving in and around Ayutthaya during this visit. Well, I thought Hua Hin’s traffic planning department had a sense of humour. Whoever designed Ayutthaya’s roads must be Head Court Jester. Why turn right or left when you can (there are no words to describe) disappear up your own backside trying to change direction turn right or left to go from one road to another. I’m sure the traffic department have huge screens, where they watch and fall about laughing whilst watching traffic go around in circles whilst trying to change direction.
Wat Niwet Thammaprawat is a small island on the Chao Phraya River. In the publicity spiel, it stated many times, ‘why not park your car and take the cable car rather than driving all of the way?’ Identifying the car park was impossible before we set off. I simply put Wat Niwet Thammaprawat into the satnav, and thought I’d play it by ear. If the satnav said drive over a bridge as I got close, I’d ignore it.
As I got close, the satnav told me to turn right. Waiting for the traffic lights at that junction, there was a big red sign. I asked my wife what it said, and she said bridge closed ahead (she said the bridge was kaput). Good, I thought. 100 yards further on was the bridge with no other route, no restrictions, and a car came across it as I approached. OK, my truck is heavier than a car, but I think go for it. Then as I’m crossing, another car approached/crossed from the opposite direction. No idea what the earlier red sign was, but we didn’t end up in a river, and everything seemed fine. The bridge didn’t collapse.
I suddenly realised I was on a familiar road – the road to the Bang Pa-In Royal Palace. I got to the Palace car park, and made the same mistake as I’d made previously (in 2019), and the same Hitleresque security guard came running out to give me the same bollocking. I thought I’d drive into the car park, and get my wife to ask where the cable car was. At the entrance, there was a red barrier across the left lane, so I took that as meaning no entry i.e. it was the exit (they drive on the correct (left) side of the road in Thailand as well). So, I drove to the next gap with no barriers. As I entered, it was a case of Groundhog Day – the little Hitler jumped out in front of me. Ignoring what he was ranting on about (I’d heard it all before in 2019), I simply reversed out and drove in the other entrance in the right-hand lane. As I parked, I saw overhead cables – the cable car ran from the Bang Pa-In Royal Palace car park. We’d found what we were looking for. If somebody had mentioned that we needed to use the Bang Pa-In Royal Palace car park in the various trip reviews, life would have been so much easier.
From a very personal point of view, I was astounded that I’d visited Bang Pa-In Royal Palace several times previously, and hadn’t known about Wat Niwet Thammaprawat and the cable cars.
My wife opted to leave her wheelchair in the car – a very bold move. There were actually 4 crossing points (2 pairs), and of course, we went to the wrong point first i.e. only one pair was operational. There was nobody about, but we climbed the few steps and waited. Then like magic, a cable car started coming across the river to get us. We jumped in, lowered the safety barriers (subsequent observation showed many didn’t bother with the safety barriers) and with quite a jump, it took us across the river. There was no cost, but an honesty donation box where you donated instead of paying a fare.
I will say at this point the cable cars I had seen in various holiday programmes were driven by monks, ropes and pulleys. Things had moved on somewhat, and these cars were driven by electricity. Still a nice experience though.
Crossing the narrow waterway. It was clear to see the entrance to this channel was blocked by the notorious floating weed.
I had always been very impressed by the pristine condition of Bang Pa-In Royal Palace. Wat Niwet Thammaprawat was just as perfect, without the crazy dress codes of the Palace. It was very quiet as well. It was unfortunate that the temple grounds are undergoing (tasteful) major refurbishment at the moment meaning some areas were out of bounds, but we were very impressed by this little piece of serenity. It was perfect. We were allowed to wander around most buildings around the little island with no restriction. There was a Monk school at one end and many places of worship. Not your usual temple appearance, but very colourful all the same (more like being on the movie set of The Prisoner).
The main Chao Phraya river side of the island was very wide.
There were a few tourists wandering around the island, and I’d estimate 80% were Japanese.
A very worthwhile trip, and only 30 minutes from Ayutthaya. Thoroughly recommended, especially if you are visiting the Royal Palace.
To be continued…………………………..
Wat Niwet Thammaprawat:
My first time driving in and around Ayutthaya during this visit. Well, I thought Hua Hin’s traffic planning department had a sense of humour. Whoever designed Ayutthaya’s roads must be Head Court Jester. Why turn right or left when you can (there are no words to describe) disappear up your own backside trying to change direction turn right or left to go from one road to another. I’m sure the traffic department have huge screens, where they watch and fall about laughing whilst watching traffic go around in circles whilst trying to change direction.
Wat Niwet Thammaprawat is a small island on the Chao Phraya River. In the publicity spiel, it stated many times, ‘why not park your car and take the cable car rather than driving all of the way?’ Identifying the car park was impossible before we set off. I simply put Wat Niwet Thammaprawat into the satnav, and thought I’d play it by ear. If the satnav said drive over a bridge as I got close, I’d ignore it.
As I got close, the satnav told me to turn right. Waiting for the traffic lights at that junction, there was a big red sign. I asked my wife what it said, and she said bridge closed ahead (she said the bridge was kaput). Good, I thought. 100 yards further on was the bridge with no other route, no restrictions, and a car came across it as I approached. OK, my truck is heavier than a car, but I think go for it. Then as I’m crossing, another car approached/crossed from the opposite direction. No idea what the earlier red sign was, but we didn’t end up in a river, and everything seemed fine. The bridge didn’t collapse.
I suddenly realised I was on a familiar road – the road to the Bang Pa-In Royal Palace. I got to the Palace car park, and made the same mistake as I’d made previously (in 2019), and the same Hitleresque security guard came running out to give me the same bollocking. I thought I’d drive into the car park, and get my wife to ask where the cable car was. At the entrance, there was a red barrier across the left lane, so I took that as meaning no entry i.e. it was the exit (they drive on the correct (left) side of the road in Thailand as well). So, I drove to the next gap with no barriers. As I entered, it was a case of Groundhog Day – the little Hitler jumped out in front of me. Ignoring what he was ranting on about (I’d heard it all before in 2019), I simply reversed out and drove in the other entrance in the right-hand lane. As I parked, I saw overhead cables – the cable car ran from the Bang Pa-In Royal Palace car park. We’d found what we were looking for. If somebody had mentioned that we needed to use the Bang Pa-In Royal Palace car park in the various trip reviews, life would have been so much easier.
From a very personal point of view, I was astounded that I’d visited Bang Pa-In Royal Palace several times previously, and hadn’t known about Wat Niwet Thammaprawat and the cable cars.
My wife opted to leave her wheelchair in the car – a very bold move. There were actually 4 crossing points (2 pairs), and of course, we went to the wrong point first i.e. only one pair was operational. There was nobody about, but we climbed the few steps and waited. Then like magic, a cable car started coming across the river to get us. We jumped in, lowered the safety barriers (subsequent observation showed many didn’t bother with the safety barriers) and with quite a jump, it took us across the river. There was no cost, but an honesty donation box where you donated instead of paying a fare.
I will say at this point the cable cars I had seen in various holiday programmes were driven by monks, ropes and pulleys. Things had moved on somewhat, and these cars were driven by electricity. Still a nice experience though.
Crossing the narrow waterway. It was clear to see the entrance to this channel was blocked by the notorious floating weed.
I had always been very impressed by the pristine condition of Bang Pa-In Royal Palace. Wat Niwet Thammaprawat was just as perfect, without the crazy dress codes of the Palace. It was very quiet as well. It was unfortunate that the temple grounds are undergoing (tasteful) major refurbishment at the moment meaning some areas were out of bounds, but we were very impressed by this little piece of serenity. It was perfect. We were allowed to wander around most buildings around the little island with no restriction. There was a Monk school at one end and many places of worship. Not your usual temple appearance, but very colourful all the same (more like being on the movie set of The Prisoner).
The main Chao Phraya river side of the island was very wide.
There were a few tourists wandering around the island, and I’d estimate 80% were Japanese.
A very worthwhile trip, and only 30 minutes from Ayutthaya. Thoroughly recommended, especially if you are visiting the Royal Palace.
To be continued…………………………..
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Ice Cream Wednesday:
We caught a Grab for a cheeky ice-cream this afternoon. It was a late lunch to Swensen’s Ice-Cream Parlour in Amporn Shopping centre. When we’d finished it was the usual thing, delicious to start with, but sickly by the time we’d got to the end. It didn’t help that my wife chose Durian flavor, so it was like eating ice-cream whilst being sat in the gas works.
We had the same Grab driver who took us the river cruise, and he was trying to convince my wife to go to the Floating Market. I know a lot more Thai than I let on, and he was telling her he could get us both in for 200฿ (suggesting 100฿ each – my research had already identified 200฿ for foreigners and free for Thais). Fortunately, she knows my feelings about paying to go shopping/dual pricing. I guess he’d have got a good kick back if he’d taken us. I heard him say his kick back for taking us to the river cruise was 200฿ (25%).
When we’d finished at the shopping centre, rather than call a Grab, we jumped on a local tuk tuk. Ayutthaya tuk tuks are the smallest tuk tuks I’ve seen, and certainly not made for a 6’ 5” Farang, with a backside the size of Wembley Stadium. It was agony on the short journey back to the hotel. It was definitely a case of does my bum look big in this? No, it looked bloody huge with my fat arse trying to fit on to a 6” wooden bench.
A strange thing happened going up the ramp to the hotel lobby in the tuk tuk. It was as if somebody had poked me in the left ear with an iron bar. I was in a lot of pain for about an hour. In the end, I took a couple of paracetamols, and had an hour shut eye. About 4 hours on, the pain hasn’t returned yet (a few of days on, and still no recurrence).
Wednesday evening:
On the way home from the trip to Wat Niwet Thammaprawat, we passed a riverside restaurant literally a stone’s throw from last night’s restaurant at our hotel. There are a lot of funny road diversions around our hotel, and they generally take us (and most other traffic) away from this quaint riverside eatery. It is only traffic from the direction Bang Pa-In that would even know of its existence. The diversions, although actually very sensible for Ayutthaya, must be killing this nice little eatery.
Hotel security tried to turn us back, fearing for our safety walking a few yards along a road with no pavements. However, we were determined and took our lives in our own hands on this road where 98% of traffic has been diverted away. I think there and back, we saw 3 cars.
The setting was every bit as good as last night, right on the river, and the menu was better i.e. I’m a fussy eater, and there was a lot more I would eat than was on the previous night’s menu. Better still, the food wasn’t covered in flowers – in my opinion, there’s nothing worse than having your food served decorated with flowers. An early start, and a long drive tomorrow morning, so I resisted the temptation of a beer.
We were still able to watch the many boats going past.
Then the craziest maneuver I’ve seen on this narrow stretch of river. There were 4 fully laden barges being towed downriver, when a single unladen barge came along and overtook the 4. There was no room i.e. these things drift left and right whilst being towed. The guy towing the single barge was either on a mega wind-up with the driver towing the 4, or the driver of the 4 would have been screaming at the other guy for being so stupid. A great spectacle to watch though.
An early night tonight. We have to be back to Hua Hin by 1pm, so early breakfast, and straight on the road.
The Final Day:
A major observation this morning. The weed is flowing in the opposite direction this morning. The river must be tidal, and it also explains why the majority of barges go one way during the day, and the opposite way overnight. They are travelling with the flow.
The journey home was the journey from Hell. I’d been monitoring Google Maps for a few days, trying to decide if it was safe to take the supposedly faster route through Bangkok. The consensus was yes – what a BIG mistake!
First problem, my satnav steered me away from the elevated toll road – ouch, memories of my return from Buriram a couple of years ago. I’m under the elevated road, but actually moving quite well. Then I saw red roads ahead (stationary traffic) on the satnav. As I approached the red road, there was an exit to the elevated toll road – I took it, and hoped it would be the right way. Yes, traffic was flowing quite freely upstairs, but the satnav thought I was still down below – I was receiving satnav instruction for the lower route, not the elevated highway. No problem I thought, just follow the signs for Dao Khanong. Everything was going great, then the next thing I knew, the Dao Khanong sign post took me back down to the lower road. No problem, there was another toll booth down there; so, I paid AGAIN and I was back upstairs once more. Traffic was quite slow this time, but we were moving.
We eventually took the Samut Sakhon road, and then it literally was a complete standstill. 7 lanes of traffic at one point, parked. To make things worse the extra coffee and fruit juice at breakfast was taking its toll. I was jumping, screaming, wriggling, even crying, but I still needed to pee. My wife wasn’t much better, but she didn’t have to control 2 tons of truck through traffic as heavy as it gets. Such a relief when I eventually got to a service station, which seemed to take forever.
PM Srettha has promised an end to these crazy road works, which have been going on for decades by next year. We will have to wait and see if his promise can be fulfilled. Believe me, needing to pee so desperately whilst driving in extreme traffic is very unsafe.
The rest of the journey was uneventful, but if anybody tells you those road works from Samut Sakhon to Bangkok aren’t a problem, please believe me, they are lying. Oh, how I wished I’d gone home the same way as I’d travelled to Ayutthaya. It might have taken 30 minutes longer on paper, but I’d have been moving, and able to take comfort breaks as I wanted.
To be continued…………………………..
Ice Cream Wednesday:
We caught a Grab for a cheeky ice-cream this afternoon. It was a late lunch to Swensen’s Ice-Cream Parlour in Amporn Shopping centre. When we’d finished it was the usual thing, delicious to start with, but sickly by the time we’d got to the end. It didn’t help that my wife chose Durian flavor, so it was like eating ice-cream whilst being sat in the gas works.
We had the same Grab driver who took us the river cruise, and he was trying to convince my wife to go to the Floating Market. I know a lot more Thai than I let on, and he was telling her he could get us both in for 200฿ (suggesting 100฿ each – my research had already identified 200฿ for foreigners and free for Thais). Fortunately, she knows my feelings about paying to go shopping/dual pricing. I guess he’d have got a good kick back if he’d taken us. I heard him say his kick back for taking us to the river cruise was 200฿ (25%).
When we’d finished at the shopping centre, rather than call a Grab, we jumped on a local tuk tuk. Ayutthaya tuk tuks are the smallest tuk tuks I’ve seen, and certainly not made for a 6’ 5” Farang, with a backside the size of Wembley Stadium. It was agony on the short journey back to the hotel. It was definitely a case of does my bum look big in this? No, it looked bloody huge with my fat arse trying to fit on to a 6” wooden bench.
A strange thing happened going up the ramp to the hotel lobby in the tuk tuk. It was as if somebody had poked me in the left ear with an iron bar. I was in a lot of pain for about an hour. In the end, I took a couple of paracetamols, and had an hour shut eye. About 4 hours on, the pain hasn’t returned yet (a few of days on, and still no recurrence).
Wednesday evening:
On the way home from the trip to Wat Niwet Thammaprawat, we passed a riverside restaurant literally a stone’s throw from last night’s restaurant at our hotel. There are a lot of funny road diversions around our hotel, and they generally take us (and most other traffic) away from this quaint riverside eatery. It is only traffic from the direction Bang Pa-In that would even know of its existence. The diversions, although actually very sensible for Ayutthaya, must be killing this nice little eatery.
Hotel security tried to turn us back, fearing for our safety walking a few yards along a road with no pavements. However, we were determined and took our lives in our own hands on this road where 98% of traffic has been diverted away. I think there and back, we saw 3 cars.
The setting was every bit as good as last night, right on the river, and the menu was better i.e. I’m a fussy eater, and there was a lot more I would eat than was on the previous night’s menu. Better still, the food wasn’t covered in flowers – in my opinion, there’s nothing worse than having your food served decorated with flowers. An early start, and a long drive tomorrow morning, so I resisted the temptation of a beer.
We were still able to watch the many boats going past.
Then the craziest maneuver I’ve seen on this narrow stretch of river. There were 4 fully laden barges being towed downriver, when a single unladen barge came along and overtook the 4. There was no room i.e. these things drift left and right whilst being towed. The guy towing the single barge was either on a mega wind-up with the driver towing the 4, or the driver of the 4 would have been screaming at the other guy for being so stupid. A great spectacle to watch though.
An early night tonight. We have to be back to Hua Hin by 1pm, so early breakfast, and straight on the road.
The Final Day:
A major observation this morning. The weed is flowing in the opposite direction this morning. The river must be tidal, and it also explains why the majority of barges go one way during the day, and the opposite way overnight. They are travelling with the flow.
The journey home was the journey from Hell. I’d been monitoring Google Maps for a few days, trying to decide if it was safe to take the supposedly faster route through Bangkok. The consensus was yes – what a BIG mistake!
First problem, my satnav steered me away from the elevated toll road – ouch, memories of my return from Buriram a couple of years ago. I’m under the elevated road, but actually moving quite well. Then I saw red roads ahead (stationary traffic) on the satnav. As I approached the red road, there was an exit to the elevated toll road – I took it, and hoped it would be the right way. Yes, traffic was flowing quite freely upstairs, but the satnav thought I was still down below – I was receiving satnav instruction for the lower route, not the elevated highway. No problem I thought, just follow the signs for Dao Khanong. Everything was going great, then the next thing I knew, the Dao Khanong sign post took me back down to the lower road. No problem, there was another toll booth down there; so, I paid AGAIN and I was back upstairs once more. Traffic was quite slow this time, but we were moving.
We eventually took the Samut Sakhon road, and then it literally was a complete standstill. 7 lanes of traffic at one point, parked. To make things worse the extra coffee and fruit juice at breakfast was taking its toll. I was jumping, screaming, wriggling, even crying, but I still needed to pee. My wife wasn’t much better, but she didn’t have to control 2 tons of truck through traffic as heavy as it gets. Such a relief when I eventually got to a service station, which seemed to take forever.
PM Srettha has promised an end to these crazy road works, which have been going on for decades by next year. We will have to wait and see if his promise can be fulfilled. Believe me, needing to pee so desperately whilst driving in extreme traffic is very unsafe.
The rest of the journey was uneventful, but if anybody tells you those road works from Samut Sakhon to Bangkok aren’t a problem, please believe me, they are lying. Oh, how I wished I’d gone home the same way as I’d travelled to Ayutthaya. It might have taken 30 minutes longer on paper, but I’d have been moving, and able to take comfort breaks as I wanted.
To be continued…………………………..
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Wonderful report, full of flavour, thanks BB.
The Chao Phraya at Ayutthaya is tidal, but I doubt fast flowing/strong current (maybe deeper in the channel it could be) as there is so much almost static floating weed?
A chain of huge laden barges even with tugs fore and aft would be more manoeuvrable navigating against the flow, so maybe they don't sail with the flow although that would be a bit faster/cheaper on fuel, although OK, TIT. Docking on rivers is usually undertaken with bow pointing upriver. Not an expert though.
Also for interest:
https://ayutthaya-history.com/Boating.html
The Chao Phraya at Ayutthaya is tidal, but I doubt fast flowing/strong current (maybe deeper in the channel it could be) as there is so much almost static floating weed?
A chain of huge laden barges even with tugs fore and aft would be more manoeuvrable navigating against the flow, so maybe they don't sail with the flow although that would be a bit faster/cheaper on fuel, although OK, TIT. Docking on rivers is usually undertaken with bow pointing upriver. Not an expert though.
Also for interest:
https://ayutthaya-history.com/Boating.html
Re: Filling in the Gaps at Ayutthaya (photo report)
An interesting link, thank you. It tends to agree with most of what I've said. Something I hadn't mentioned is that my hotel/vantage point was on The Pa Sak River.
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You mean "I agree with most of what you've said". Otherwise it's Harry Enfield's Blunt Northerner: "I say what I like and I like what I bloody well say".

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Part 7
Post Trip Thoughts:
Travelling without additional medical equipment made life so much easier. My wife didn’t even need to unpack the oxygen condenser, and the wheelchair did not have to come out of the car – a huge success. I was delighted – 4 days without oxygen. Maybe she can travel to Laos with me early 2025.
Although the hotel staff gave me a couple of reasons for concern, it certainly paid to book a decent hotel in Ayutthaya. Compared with a decent hotel in Bangkok or Hua Hin, a decent hotel costs about half the price, and you get a lot for a little money. Yes, I can be a grumpy git, especially after being watched by the hired help whilst carrying my own luggage up 22 stairs, especially when there is a perfectly good lift sitting idle. I wasn’t happy the day our room wasn’t cleaned either (OK we are more than capable of doing it ourselves, but by my usual standards, this hotel was better than forgetting something as basic as room cleaning). The car parking spaces incident, although it gave me cause for concern whilst wondering what was going on, I had nothing to complain/worry about. Even after I’d squeezed my car into a space reserved for a VIP, and security came running up to me, Thais hate confrontation, so I knew they’d say nothing. I was more than happy I’d booked a decent hotel in Ayutthaya.
Ayutthaya, although it relies heavily upon tourism, it is basically a typical Thai town, and goes to sleep by 9pm. I’m sure there are places that go on later if you’re desperate for a beer, but I’m old, and rarely drink these days anyway. I was happy with early finishes.
The traffic planners have gone berserk in Ayutthaya with some of their traffic solutions. I think leaving my car ‘abandoned’ in the hotel car park was a really good move. Grab never cost us more than 100฿, and a Grab car never took more than 4 minutes to pick us up.
If you have a fat arse, avoid Ayutthaya Tuk Tuks. Anybody with a fat arse who tells you Ayutthaya Tuk Tuks were fine for them is a liar. Use Grab – they are faster, cheaper, bigger and air conditioned. My wife could see the agony on my face as we went along, and she commented that Tuk Tuks were no good for me. I took a deep breath, sampled the exhaust fumes, and replied they were no good for her lungs either.
I’m not any sort of historian, but I believe the Burmese were meant to have marched into Ayutthaya with their elephants, gave the Thais a bloody nose, and ran off with all of the Thai gold. Sat on the 9th floor of my hotel, I couldn’t help but wonder how? I’m sure that I’ve seen drawings of fully armoured war elephants scrapping. Ayutthaya is an island, so has a natural deep-water moat. How on Earth did the Burmese get an army of elephants wearing war armour across the deep channel to fight? It’s fairly flat around there, so you aren’t going to sneak up on anybody. It would have taken major boat building or bridge building to get elephants across – somebody must have noticed. I’ve sat at my window vantage point, simply wondering how they did it. OK, some of the temple ruins weren’t actually on the island, but I got the impression all of the temples were attacked. I’m sure somebody much more history orientated than me will enlighten us.
Strangely enough, my thoughts about war elephants came whilst laying on my hotel bed, looking across Ayutthaya. I could see a huge statue of an elephant sitting down. I’ve walked around Ayutthaya at least 4 times previously, and didn’t remember any giant elephant statue. Was it new? My little point and shoot camera has an impressive zoom for a little camera – I zoomed in (would have been better if mounted on the tripod). My statue turned out to be a tree (well, I thought it was quite funny).
Another musing whilst staring out of my hotel window……. I never did a time and motion course in my working life, but I think the Thai river boatmen would benefit significantly from such training. There were as many loaded barges as empty barges travelling in each direction every day. I am sure they could achieve the same results with half the barges and half the tug boats. It just needs proper organization.
Just 4 hours from Hua Hin. Well worth the journey; just avoid the roadworks. Either that, or don’t hit the coffee and fruit juice at breakfast.
Next 3 trips are already well in to the planning stages. A few days in Roi Et (yes, Isaan, my pet hate – spent a lot of time there over 20 years ago, and I’ve been hearing a lot of good things about it.). I will be testing my wife’s ability to fly – first time since 2018. I will be able to see how my wife’s lungs stand up to flying, before considering Laos. One surprise – Air Asia don’t charge extra for carrying her wheelchair. Whale watching sometime in November, and a slow boat cruise down the Mekong (from Laos) for a few days in late 2024 or early 2025. Weather will be the critical path, I don’t want a repeat of the ‘Frozen in Hanoi’ experience.
I’ll be back.
Post Trip Thoughts:
Travelling without additional medical equipment made life so much easier. My wife didn’t even need to unpack the oxygen condenser, and the wheelchair did not have to come out of the car – a huge success. I was delighted – 4 days without oxygen. Maybe she can travel to Laos with me early 2025.
Although the hotel staff gave me a couple of reasons for concern, it certainly paid to book a decent hotel in Ayutthaya. Compared with a decent hotel in Bangkok or Hua Hin, a decent hotel costs about half the price, and you get a lot for a little money. Yes, I can be a grumpy git, especially after being watched by the hired help whilst carrying my own luggage up 22 stairs, especially when there is a perfectly good lift sitting idle. I wasn’t happy the day our room wasn’t cleaned either (OK we are more than capable of doing it ourselves, but by my usual standards, this hotel was better than forgetting something as basic as room cleaning). The car parking spaces incident, although it gave me cause for concern whilst wondering what was going on, I had nothing to complain/worry about. Even after I’d squeezed my car into a space reserved for a VIP, and security came running up to me, Thais hate confrontation, so I knew they’d say nothing. I was more than happy I’d booked a decent hotel in Ayutthaya.
Ayutthaya, although it relies heavily upon tourism, it is basically a typical Thai town, and goes to sleep by 9pm. I’m sure there are places that go on later if you’re desperate for a beer, but I’m old, and rarely drink these days anyway. I was happy with early finishes.
The traffic planners have gone berserk in Ayutthaya with some of their traffic solutions. I think leaving my car ‘abandoned’ in the hotel car park was a really good move. Grab never cost us more than 100฿, and a Grab car never took more than 4 minutes to pick us up.
If you have a fat arse, avoid Ayutthaya Tuk Tuks. Anybody with a fat arse who tells you Ayutthaya Tuk Tuks were fine for them is a liar. Use Grab – they are faster, cheaper, bigger and air conditioned. My wife could see the agony on my face as we went along, and she commented that Tuk Tuks were no good for me. I took a deep breath, sampled the exhaust fumes, and replied they were no good for her lungs either.
I’m not any sort of historian, but I believe the Burmese were meant to have marched into Ayutthaya with their elephants, gave the Thais a bloody nose, and ran off with all of the Thai gold. Sat on the 9th floor of my hotel, I couldn’t help but wonder how? I’m sure that I’ve seen drawings of fully armoured war elephants scrapping. Ayutthaya is an island, so has a natural deep-water moat. How on Earth did the Burmese get an army of elephants wearing war armour across the deep channel to fight? It’s fairly flat around there, so you aren’t going to sneak up on anybody. It would have taken major boat building or bridge building to get elephants across – somebody must have noticed. I’ve sat at my window vantage point, simply wondering how they did it. OK, some of the temple ruins weren’t actually on the island, but I got the impression all of the temples were attacked. I’m sure somebody much more history orientated than me will enlighten us.
Strangely enough, my thoughts about war elephants came whilst laying on my hotel bed, looking across Ayutthaya. I could see a huge statue of an elephant sitting down. I’ve walked around Ayutthaya at least 4 times previously, and didn’t remember any giant elephant statue. Was it new? My little point and shoot camera has an impressive zoom for a little camera – I zoomed in (would have been better if mounted on the tripod). My statue turned out to be a tree (well, I thought it was quite funny).
Another musing whilst staring out of my hotel window……. I never did a time and motion course in my working life, but I think the Thai river boatmen would benefit significantly from such training. There were as many loaded barges as empty barges travelling in each direction every day. I am sure they could achieve the same results with half the barges and half the tug boats. It just needs proper organization.
Just 4 hours from Hua Hin. Well worth the journey; just avoid the roadworks. Either that, or don’t hit the coffee and fruit juice at breakfast.
Next 3 trips are already well in to the planning stages. A few days in Roi Et (yes, Isaan, my pet hate – spent a lot of time there over 20 years ago, and I’ve been hearing a lot of good things about it.). I will be testing my wife’s ability to fly – first time since 2018. I will be able to see how my wife’s lungs stand up to flying, before considering Laos. One surprise – Air Asia don’t charge extra for carrying her wheelchair. Whale watching sometime in November, and a slow boat cruise down the Mekong (from Laos) for a few days in late 2024 or early 2025. Weather will be the critical path, I don’t want a repeat of the ‘Frozen in Hanoi’ experience.
I’ll be back.
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The distruction of Ayutthaya in 1767 had started long before that with Burmese troops encircling the city. There had been power struggles and corruption before that. The Burmese dug tunnels under the city walls and eventually were able to destroy parts of the wall and enter the city. It's a long story and for those who are interested, here is quite a good account of what happened.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burmese%E ... 80%931767)
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Thank you BG, I thought you would know. I haven't read the link yet, but will. So they had walls well as a natural moat.
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Wow!!! That was some war. I'd had it in my mind it was more of a skirmish, with the raid being very swift. Grab the treasure, and do a runner. How wrong my perception was.
Having read the link, albeit I skimmed through a lot of it, I now understand a lot more about how it happened. I was amazed to read of the Burmese fleet. Getting a fleet of ships/boats there was a feat in itself. Quite an eye opener.
Also interesting to read Ayutthaya flooded back then as well, before global warming.
Thank you for enlightening me.
Having read the link, albeit I skimmed through a lot of it, I now understand a lot more about how it happened. I was amazed to read of the Burmese fleet. Getting a fleet of ships/boats there was a feat in itself. Quite an eye opener.
Also interesting to read Ayutthaya flooded back then as well, before global warming.
Thank you for enlightening me.
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Great link BG. I keep going back to it and learning other little snippets. Very interesting.
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Thanks, BB. Great to see someone getting interested in Thai history.
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^What always amazes me is that by some estimations, in around 1700 Ayutthaya was the most populous city in the world with around a million inhabitants.