Global Warming/Climate Change 2

[MrPlum]

When the Warmistas eventually stop their squawking and the faithful forget embarrassingly calculating their carbon footprints, remember just how many 'Scientists', governments, institutions and media organs were pushing this rot and see how many are jailed for fraud. My guess is it will be like the banker gangsters. NONE.

And when the political crooks and thieves deliver the next fantasy 'psycho-drama', watch the same people get taken in. You know, the smart ones calling Fox News viewers 'dumb'.

Hopefully they can improve on using environmentalism as a Trojan Horse for global 'governance', criminalizing and taxing the masses and making off with large amounts of swag.

[STEVE G]

...and making off with large amounts of swag.

As the Arctic Melts Commercial Opportunities Grow, Increasing Political Interest
http://oilprice.com/The-Environment/Glo ... erest.html


"The widely held notion that climate change will occur gradually over the 21st century, allowing ample time for society to adapt, is belied by the unprecedented pace of both climate change and policy developments in the Arctic today. Such rapid changes will challenge governments’ abilities to anticipate and diplomatically resolve international disputes within the region.

Accelerating changes in the region are causing sea ice to melt at a rate exceeding scientists’ predictions. The absence of ice will open up strategic waterways, such as the Northwest Passage, for longer periods of time and allow more opportunity for activities like offshore oil exploration that require open water. Analysts believe the economic impact could be significant – new and expanded shipping routes can significantly reduce the transit time between Asia, North America and Europe, and oil companies like Royal Dutch Shell are eager to unlock the “great opportunity” for fossil fuels they believe lies beneath the pristine Arctic waters."

[STEVE G]

This summer is 'what global warming looks like,' climate scientists say
http://www.freep.com/article/20120703/N ... ooks-like-

[Dannie Boy]

This summer is 'what global warming looks like,' climate scientists say
http://www.freep.com/article/20120703/N ... ooks-like-

One thing is for sure, is that it is almost impossible to be able to predict climate change in the short-term. Whilst the US suffers heat waves, the UK has just recorded the wettest June and wettest April-June periods on record and all of this, following two of the driest winters ever, which earlier this year prompted so many water authorities to impose hosepipe bans. It's fairly obvious that weather patterns are changing and the link to population and economic growth in what were the poorer countries of the world (China, India and Brazil), is almost certainly one of the main factors. It doesn't bode well for the future!!

[sargeant]

One thing is for sure, is that it is almost impossible to be able to predict climate change in the short-term.

I could not agree more however

the UK has just recorded the wettest June and wettest April-June periods on record and all of this, following two of the driest winters ever,

Please note the words in red and realise that rain and temperatures have been constantly recorded over a very long period of time

It's fairly obvious that weather patterns are changing

NOT to Mr Plum it isnt

the link to population and economic growth

I have been saying that for quite sometime so thankyou for concurring with me

[Dannie Boy]

We might share the same sentiments Sarge and possibly the same concerns, because the danger is that just the three countries I mentioned, contribute a third of the worlds population and with their nigh on double digit economic growth, so their lust for more carbon consumption puts an ever increasing strain both on resources and the pollutants that go with it. Probably/hopefully not in my lifetime, but unless there is a dramatic and fundamental change in these trends then as I mentioned before, the future for our offspring looks very grim indeed.

[Homer]

This summer is 'what global warming looks like,' climate scientists say
http://www.freep.com/article/20120703/N ... ooks-like-

That is 'some scientists' not 'scientists'. The very same ones who have nothing to say during record cold spells.

Please note the words in red and realise that rain and temperatures have been constantly recorded over a very long period of time

It's a long period of time if you're a mayfly. Otherwise it's meaninglessly short.

[sargeant]

Dannie Boy
You and I are probably in the same general direction but i do not put it down to solely carbon emmissions (obviously it is having an effect but i just dont think it is the sole reason)

I firmly believe after spending a lot and i mean a lot of time at the insistance of Mr P researching the science involved that it is more probable that deforestation and urbanisation of the planet are the MAIN CAUSE
simply put trees absorb heat from the atmosphere and absorb CO2 plus producing a useful side product OXYGEN
houses and factories reflect heat into the atmosphere and produce CO2 plus burn OXYGEN

answer reduce population
= reduction in houses/urbanisation
= more land reforested
= more heat absorbed
= more CO2 absorbed
= less CO2 produced

here i agree with Mr P (who has done nil nana zilch research into climate change or global warming science (other than to consult HIS GOD (Alex Jones)for the CT party line notices and his rantings should be ignored)
no ammount of crap carbon or any other sort if tax is going to change jack squat

[sargeant]

Homer me old china

Record cold
Record Hot
Record Rain
Record Floods
Record Droughts
Record Tornado touchdowns
Record Hurricanes Katrina ringabell
all of the above have been reported ALL over the WORLD in the last 3/4 years

and 3/4 years is a gnats fart in time terms compared to how long records of weather has been kept

If that does not indicate climate change please enlighten us what it does indicate

could you while you are at it tell us what evidence you would need to see that would change your mind i think i know your answer to that ARMEGGEDDON

[Dannie Boy]

I am just an amateur who has done very little research on the subject, but know that climate change has been around since before the days of the dinosoar, but most of the articles that I have read, indicate that the rate of change is now happening a lot faster than at any previous period on planet Earth. It seems quite improbable not to link this to the very rapid rise in population growth, increased carbon production and as Sarge pointed out, massive deforestation which is the lifeblood of the ecological cycle, over the past century.

[Pleng]

I am just an amateur who has done very little research on the subject, but know that climate change has been around since before the days of the dinosoar, but most of the articles that I have read, indicate that the rate of change is now happening a lot faster than at any previous period on planet Earth. It seems quite improbable not to link this to the very rapid rise in population growth, increased carbon production and as Sarge pointed out, massive deforestation which is the lifeblood of the ecological cycle, over the past century.

Increade carbon production, maybe.

I can't help but think the heat is caused by the fact that there are just more 'machines' which produce heat as a byproduct, regardless of the amount of carbon they emmit. Car engines, refrigerators and freezers, air conditioning units, to name but a few are all increasing massively in use, and all produce heat as a waste product. Of course the world is gettign warmer!

[Dannie Boy]

I am just an amateur who has done very little research on the subject, but know that climate change has been around since before the days of the dinosoar, but most of the articles that I have read, indicate that the rate of change is now happening a lot faster than at any previous period on planet Earth. It seems quite improbable not to link this to the very rapid rise in population growth, increased carbon production and as Sarge pointed out, massive deforestation which is the lifeblood of the ecological cycle, over the past century.

Increade carbon production, maybe.

I can't help but think the heat is caused by the fact that there are just more 'machines' which produce heat as a byproduct, regardless of the amount of carbon they emmit. Car engines, refrigerators and freezers, air conditioning units, to name but a few are all increasing massively in use, and all produce heat as a waste product. Of course the world is gettign warmer!

This is true, but the underlying issue is that to run every additional appliance you have to produce more electricity, the bulk of which is still generated using fossil fuels. It is the increase over the past 50 years and the predictions for the next 50 that cause the biggest concerns. Table in the expected population growth, increased demand for almost every substance on Earth (especially the most important of them all - water), deforestation and...................... it almost doesn't bear thinking about, except that if we don't, then we are doomed!!

[sargeant]

Dannie
The deforestation removes the trees that remove the CO2 that is bad enough
Building ever more buildings and emmission belching factories on the deforested land make it even worse
In my research the reflected heat from buildings into the atmosphere and then that reflected heat being reFracted back to earth has a huge ammount to do with what is happening

but after all the science i have read i came to the conclusion that only depopulation will halt it let alone reverse it

i also came to the conclusion that will not happen by polititions except by wars famine and desease ie what Homer and MR P need as proof Armmeggeddon

hold on to your hats folks its going to be a hot cold freezing windy wet helluvva ride

[Homer]

all of the above have been reported ALL over the WORLD in the last 3/4 years

and 3/4 years is a gnats fart in time terms compared to how long records of weather has been kept

'How long records of weather has been kept' < gnats fart.

[Dannie Boy]

all of the above have been reported ALL over the WORLD in the last 3/4 years

and 3/4 years is a gnats fart in time terms compared to how long records of weather has been kept

'How long records of weather has been kept' < gnats fart.

Records are but a drop in the ocean, but scientists are able to ascertain all sorts of records from analysis of rocks/soil/fossil remains and even ice from the polar regions and from what I have read, the latest changes are happening at a much faster rate than at any other time - we ignore the warnings at our peril.