Global Warming/Climate Change 2

[sargeant]

Well I have been freezing my nuts off for a while now!!! I know exactly what time it started and the date and after much consideration I even know why.

So HHF so much for your three seasons of hot hotter and F***ing hot. I have turned off all fans and have two duvets on the bed and have been sitting in a fleece jacket and wearing socks and long pants since the temperature plummeted
I would at a guess think you are out sunbathing

Homer did you feel the earth tilt because I did

So let me tell you time and date it was on the evening of the unofficial HHAD meet up @ Jws bar

The time between 2035 and 2040hrs this timing is vital

was it climate change too damn right it was

Was it global warming? Hardly! it was piggin freezing by the time my wife and I left at 2115 we were like two icicles by the time we got back home

Was it global cooling as per Mr Ps theory well possible I suppose and I was going to offer Mr P my congratulations and nominate him for the gin yus award but luckily I held back.

Lucky because I then read this nugget of a gem and it all fell into place.

So who do we have to thank for this simple and transparent answer to all the global sceptics and warming enthusiasts

INTRODUCING none other than the Knight of the chocolate table leg his right orrible Sire Rchard of postscrap

quote richard

well I'll be at JW's at 8pm come hell or high water

This is why the timing is so important was he there at 2000hrs.Nope was he buggery
readers can if they wish have a smidgin of an idea of what time he actually arrived especially those that felt the earth tilt

obviously HELL has reached high water and frozen over

edit as last line did not paste

[STEVE G]

Shock as retreat of Arctic sea ice releases deadly greenhouse gas

Dramatic and unprecedented plumes of methane – a greenhouse gas 20 times more potent than carbon dioxide – have been seen bubbling to the surface of the Arctic Ocean by scientists undertaking an extensive survey of the region.

The scale and volume of the methane release has astonished the head of the Russian research team who has been surveying the seabed of the East Siberian Arctic Shelf off northern Russia for nearly 20 years.

In an exclusive interview with The Independent, Igor Semiletov, of the Far Eastern branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences, said that he has never before witnessed the scale and force of the methane being released from beneath the Arctic seabed.

"Earlier we found torch-like structures like this but they were only tens of metres in diameter. This is the first time that we've found continuous, powerful and impressive seeping structures, more than 1,000 metres in diameter. It's amazing," Dr Semiletov said. "I was most impressed by the sheer scale and high density of the plumes. Over a relatively small area we found more than 100, but over a wider area there should be thousands of them."

Scientists estimate that there are hundreds of millions of tonnes of methane gas locked away beneath the Arctic permafrost, which extends from the mainland into the seabed of the relatively shallow sea of the East Siberian Arctic Shelf. One of the greatest fears is that with the disappearance of the Arctic sea-ice in summer, and rapidly rising temperatures across the entire region, which are already melting the Siberian permafrost, the trapped methane could be suddenly released into the atmosphere leading to rapid and severe climate change.

Dr Semiletov's team published a study in 2010 estimating that the methane emissions from this region were about eight million tonnes a year, but the latest expedition suggests this is a significant underestimate of the phenomenon.

In late summer, the Russian research vessel Academician Lavrentiev conducted an extensive survey of about 10,000 square miles of sea off the East Siberian coast. Scientists deployed four highly sensitive instruments, both seismic and acoustic, to monitor the "fountains" or plumes of methane bubbles rising to the sea surface from beneath the seabed.

"In a very small area, less than 10,000 square miles, we have counted more than 100 fountains, or torch-like structures, bubbling through the water column and injected directly into the atmosphere from the seabed," Dr Semiletov said. "We carried out checks at about 115 stationary points and discovered methane fields of a fantastic scale – I think on a scale not seen before. Some plumes were a kilometre or more wide and the emissions went directly into the atmosphere – the concentration was a hundred times higher than normal."

Dr Semiletov released his findings for the first time last week at the American Geophysical Union meeting in San Francisco.
http://www.independent.co.uk/environmen ... 276134.ece

[PeteC]

To me, that's one of the most worrying stories I've read on here. Pete

[redzonerocker]

To me, that's one of the most worrying stories I've read on here. Pete

Quite timely too as we're heading into 2012

[Winkie]

To me, that's one of the most worrying stories I've read on here. Pete

Hi Pete

To me it indicates how very easy it is to misinterpret the situation, and to be led into possibly false thinking (intentionally or otherwise) by poor journalism.

"Earlier we found torch-like structures like this but they were only tens of metres in diameter. This is the first time that we've found continuous, powerful and impressive seeping structures, more than 1,000 metres in diameter. It's amazing," Dr Semiletov said. "I was most impressed by the sheer scale and high density of the plumes. Over a relatively small area we found more than 100, but over a wider area there should be thousands of them."

So, it appears that these natural events have never been seen before, yet....

Some plumes were a kilometre or more wide and the emissions went directly into the atmosphere – the concentration was a hundred times higher than normal."

Difficult to judge what is normal and what is not normal if they have only just been found. Surely they need time (considerable time) to study and accurately comment on the norm.

[sargeant]

Quote winkie

Difficult to judge what is normal and what is not normal if they have only just been found. Surely they need time (considerable time) to study and accurately comment on the norm.

Quote the article
The scale and volume of the methane release has astonished the head of the Russian research team who has been surveying the seabed of the East Siberian Arctic Shelf off northern Russia for nearly 20 years./

so if 20 years isnt enough time (i would think that should be at the normal rate or they would not be shocked) how long does it need

[STEVE G]

Difficult to judge what is normal and what is not normal if they have only just been found. Surely they need time (considerable time) to study and accurately comment on the norm.

This is the CV of Igor Semietov, the scientist being interviewed:

http://www.iarc.uaf.edu/sites/default/f ... tov_cv.pdf

He has been involved in Polar research since 1977.

[Homer]

To me, that's one of the most worrying stories I've read on here. Pete

*Yawn*

Imagine how important such a finding would be: A) If it had been published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal, 2) Given that virtually everything related to the climate varies, if they had observed this phenomenon long enough to establish a normal range and thus be able to say if it was a deviation out of that range, #) If the press release had been issued at some time other than just after the unsuccessful Durban climate change Conference.

[sargeant]

OKey Dokey then Homer i will take that as you didnt feel the earth tilt

Mind you people with fixed agendas tend not to feel a lot whether sceptics or enthusiasts

This is shown by people who have the gall to go on the immediate attack, people who probably havent seen snow in decades and deride a scientist who has spent 20 years freezing his arse of

He said they saw small events (HELLO its not a new phenomena) he then gave sizes and then said these recent events of the same phenomena were on far larger magnitude.100 X greater

Add questions like what is the norm? well this NEW phenomena is NOW so how can they study the norm for 20 years ago its already up in the atmosphere do please try and think a bit

Which is a direct attack purely because it does not conform to the sceptics permanantly fixed view

[STEVE G]

2) Given that virtually everything related to the climate varies, if they had observed this phenomenon long enough to establish a normal range and thus be able to say if it was a deviation out of that range,...

Don't do anything until it's too late?

[sargeant]

Steve I can imagine what it would be like if the internet and forums were around during WW2
maybe something like this

Winkie tojomoto Nagasaki
I think all this BS about atoms and nuclei and splitting them and nuclear reactors is the NWO the Jews and bankers scaring us so they can tax us and do honest coalminers out of a job
SHIT what was that bright light

Homer suckacashew Hiroshima
Yes winkie I agree its all crap we who sit at our laptops know better as for the bright light its a perfectly normal phenomena see we just had one


2 days later
Mr Plum
Havant heard from you winkie and homer heard they dropped a couple of nukes in your backyard this is to advise you take absolutely no notice of the medical profession radiation sickness can be cured with a good enema and ACV

[hhfarang]

So HHF so much for your three seasons of hot hotter and F***ing hot. I have turned off all fans and have two duvets on the bed and have been sitting in a fleece jacket and wearing socks and long pants since the temperature plummeted
I would at a guess think you are out sunbathing

Hey Sarge! I would be out sunbathing but it's still a bit hot for me. You have to wear all those clothes because you've lost that protective layer of fat! I still have mine so I'm still comfy in A/C and too warm outside.

[Winkie]

Hi Sarge

Nice to be in touch with you again!

With this statement "This is shown by people who have the gall to go on the immediate attack", I can only assume that you are talking about yourself....

Winkie tojomoto Nagasaki
I think all this BS about atoms and nuclei and splitting them and nuclear reactors is the NWO the Jews and bankers scaring us so they can tax us and do honest coalminers out of a job
SHIT what was that bright light

Homer suckacashew Hiroshima
Yes winkie I agree its all crap we who sit at our laptops know better as for the bright light its a perfectly normal phenomena see we just had one


2 days later
Mr Plum
Havant heard from you winkie and homer heard they dropped a couple of nukes in your backyard this is to advise you take absolutely no notice of the medical profession radiation sickness can be cured with a good enema and ACV

I think, from your reply, its quite clear that you missed, completely the point I was making.... and you talk about others with fixed agendas!!!!!

Pot and Kettle, me thinks!

Try having an open mind Sarge, you might enjoy the feeling

[sargeant]

so what was the point you were making winkie

lets examine shall we with an open mind

To me it indicates how very easy it is to misinterpret the situation, and to be led into possibly false thinking (intentionally or otherwise) by poor journalism.

Or it could be just plain old piss poor posting

So, it appears that these natural events have never been seen before, yet....

this shows piss poor reading ability

Earlier we found torch-like structures like this but they were only tens of metres in diameter. This is the first time that we've found continuous, powerful and impressive seeping structures, more than 1,000 metres in diameter.

Difficult to judge what is normal and what is not normal if they have only just been found. Surely they need time (considerable time) to study and accurately comment on the norm.

I suppose i will have to spell it out for you

Earlier we found torch-like structures like this but they were only tens of metres in diameter.

I am going to make a leap of faith and guess that was the norm

so Mr Kettle let me explain again in simple words

1. I believe the world is warming mainly due to the Malankovic cycle
2. I believe that urbanisation deforestation and over population are the major contributors to any and IF there is any man made addition to the natural warming
3. I do not believe man can do buggeral to stop it

I am however open to any science (not internet crap) to reconsider, and open minded enough to change my standpoint if FACTS support it

You see i do not think man is very clever at all because this simple soul asks questions like

If man is so clever as to be able to discover the smallest particle in the universe (by splitting a QUARK) and it is everywhere and everything

why the f*** does he need a michine bigger than switzerland to find it

Finally thankyou for proving yet again the 2 Hs in HHAD do not stand for either humour or hilarity

which is odd as your posts crack me up

[Homer]

He said they saw small events (HELLO its not a new phenomena) he then gave sizes and then said these recent events of the same phenomena were on far larger magnitude.100 X greater

Add questions like what is the norm? well this NEW phenomena is NOW so how can they study the norm for 20 years ago its already up in the atmosphere do please try and think a bit

You say it both is and isn't a new phenomena. The most appropriate response to you post is laughter, followed by a head shake, then forgive you because you know not what you do.

100X greater? Meaningless statistic until it appears in a peer reviewed legitimate scientific journal. Even then it's meaningless because 100X difference in measures of weather and climate phenomena happen every year and are within the norms of such phenomena.