Global Warming/Climate Change 2

[STEVE G]

But that is not the point.

No, the point is that the surface temperature of the earth is some 33 degrees warmer than it should be due to the resistivity of greenhouse gasses so increasing those gasses will obviously increase the temperature.
This site explains the physics:
http://chriscolose.wordpress.com/2008/0 ... fect-pt-1/

[redzonerocker]

It's child's play to make a biased study confirm previously biased studies.

As is practiced in politics on a daily basis

[H2ODunc]

Oh dear ! Just read this article this morning. Another global warming scientist claiming he has proved once and for all it is real is accused by a colleague of hiding the fact that his report actually shows there has been no warming since the 90's even though co2 amounts have continued to rise. link here

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... eague.html

[STEVE G]

So is anyone interested in challenging the physics?

[dtaai-maai]

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[STEVE G]

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[redzonerocker]

Extract from the report . . .

However, he admitted it was true that the BEST data suggested that world temperatures have not risen for about 13 years. But in his view, this might not be ‘statistically significant’, although, he added, it was equally possible that it was – a statement which left other scientists mystified.

What is he suggesting then?

‘I am baffled as to what he’s trying to do,’ Prof Curry said.

She's baffled?

[sargeant]

The world/globe/planet IS warming
It is warming due to the Malankovic cycle not theory FACT
As the earth goes from its elliptical orbit (one rotation takes one year) @ midsummer day the earth is at its nearest point to the sun at midwinters day it is at its furthest point from the sun those distances WILL change.
When in a very long time from now and the earth is in its circular orbit the distance from the sun @ midsummer (FURTHER FROM THE SUN THAN NOW) and midwinter (NEARER TO THE SUN THAN NOW) will be the same (one rotation takes one year) and there will be no nil nana seasons the temperature will be the same all year round

The elliptical orbit gives the earth a chance to cool down, which it will not be able to do when it is in its circular orbit, temperatures will therefore be a lot hotter approximately 15 degrees if my research is correct

IT IS HAPPENING AND THERE IS BUGGERALL MAN CAN DO ABOUT IT

OH and Homer all the ice ages are the result of Volcanic activity hardly a predictable source of cooling to say nothing of being toxic so if you are relying on that be my guest but do me a favour and do your own research stop spewing out the sceptic propaganda

I can hear the GW sceptics saying thanks sarge it is natural WE DONT HAVE TO WORRY

In the 1960s an Apollo mission men in funny suits bouncing around on the moon (something that never happened according to the CT fools) put a mirror on the moons surface and ever since somewhere in the Nevada desert another set of fools have been sending pulse laser beams and bouncing it of the mirror (that doesn’t exist just for fun of course) they measure how long it takes to get back to earth and bingo they measure how far the moon is away from the earth.
O Oops the moon is moving further away from the earth by about 3 inches a year (I will stand corrected on the distance but not on the fact that it IS moving further away).
OH bugger the moons magnetic pull on the earth which gives us our tides and ocean currents is getting weaker this must logically mean our tides and ocean currents are changing.

CRAP its tides and ocean currents and the oceans that give us our weather ooh balls we are gonna get climate change and it is happening already
Try seeing what happens with a magnet and a paper clip and then THINK

SO CLIMATE CHANGE IS HAPPENING AND THERE IS BUGGERALL MAN CAN DO ABOUT IT

I can hear the GW sceptics saying thanks sarge it is natural WE DONT HAVE TO WORRY

So what is all this endless crap about

It is about whether man is exacerbating it or in other simple words adding to natural GW & CC and by how much

Funnily enough this month the global population hit 7 billion a 100% increase since the 1950s a 600% increase since the 1850s (1 billion) when the industrial revolution was a baby in nappies

a 600% increase in homes a 600% increase in agriculture to feed them the increases in factory’s power stations roads airports shipping I could go on and on
The decrease in forests fisheries wildlife and pollution etc. etc. etc. I could go on and on

One has to be totally illogical or bereft of all reasoning to even think that man is not changing something it is therefore a question of how much and what to do about it

Here I agree with the sceptics but from a totally different standpoint carbon taxes will not do jack crap they are purely and simply allowing the gutless politicians to avoid the real and ONLY remedy depopulation.
NO POLITICIAN is GOING TO PLAY THAT CARD

So sit back and enjoy fire flood tempest wars famine and pestilence coming to your local area very very shortly

BECAUSE THERE IS BUGGERALL MAN WILL DO ABOUT IT

[Winkie]

...........@ midsummer day the earth is at its nearest point to the sun at midwinters day it is at its furthest point from the sun those distances WILL change.

But if I'm not wrong, Mid Summer's Day and Midwinter's day occur on the same day (just to location changes - for example, 22 June was Mid Winter Day in Australia, whilst 24 June was Midsummer day in UK)

Seasons are related to the Axial Tilt of the Earth, and not as a result of mathematical theories

[STEVE G]

Yes, Malankovic cycles do effect the temperature of the earth over very long timescales but not the seasons which as you say are a result of the tilt of the earth in it's orbit which changes the angle and consequently the amount of atmosphere that the suns radiation has to penetrate to reach the earth at your location.

[sargeant]

Yes the tilt does have the effects you state in the earths present elliptical orbit

now explain how the equatorial countries have seasons

get a ball on a stick and tilt it and look at the equatorial line keeping the centre of the ball the same distance from a given object like the sun

then think about what i explained bearing in mind a circular orbit
and remember the distance earth travels in one elliptical orbit will be the same distance in a circular orbit and will still take one year

oh and then argue how a growing population is the way to go

[Winkie]

Hi Sarge

Maybe you re taking things a little too personal. Just pointing out an inaccuracy in your statement

Yes the tilt does have the effects you state in the earths present elliptical orbit

Yes, and in a circular one too. I'm not doubting the Elliptical Orbit at all, only its relative insignificance in being the 'generator' of the seasons.

now explain how the equatorial countries have seasons

get a ball on a stick and tilt it and look at the equatorial line keeping the centre of the ball the same distance from a given object like the sun

OK, the distance between the fixed object (I assume the Sun), and the equatorial line, increases and decreases slightly. Hence the reason why Equatorial season DO exist, and why the temp difference between equatorial winter and summer is less significant and why the difference in daylight hours is much smaller.

then think about what i explained bearing in mind a circular orbit
and remember the distance earth travels in one elliptical orbit will be the same distance in a circular orbit and will still take one year

Sorry, do not understand the meaning of question, nor its relevance to seasons, will we have more, less, no seasons?, or will the earth still pass through 4 distinct quadrants reference to a fixed point on the planet?

How do you know the earth would take the same time in a circular orbit? Is this another FACT? Or is it also a theory just like the Malankovich Hypothesis?

Sure, we DO have to worry. Is there really BUGGER ALL we can do about it?

oh and then argue how a growing population is the way to go

Is this directed to me? Or to someone else's post? Personally I believe it is of grave concern that the population is approaching 7 Billion. I am certainly not wise enough to make any suggestion as to how to manage this.

Fun chatting Sarge, look forward to your next post

Take Care

[STEVE G]

A growing population is a completely different problem to global warming. Renewable energies such as solar have the potential to provide clean power to a vastly larger population than the planet could possibly feed.
Covering something like 1% of the unused land area of America with solar cells could potentially provide several times more electricity than is used today, so the problem of global warming is clearly solveable.
The initial cost would be large but the more the technology is used, the cheaper it gets whereas fossil fuels are more likely to rise in price with increasing scarcity.
To go straight from a point of doubting global warming to giving up because it's too hard to solve is surely a defeatist attitude and missing out the bit in the middle where we try to solve it.

[Winkie]

Agree totally

[sargeant]

No not personal winkie

So let me get it straight in its elliptical orbit the earth being further from the sun in winter and nearer in summer has NOTHING to do with seasons

But a tilt of about a thousand miles or so does

IMHO that is totally illogical

Please tell how far is the sun from earth in summer and how far in winter

Even if the tilt gives a larger distance at the north and south hemispheres the distance the equator gets is negligable and yet they still have seasons

again IMHO a PALTRY 1,ooo miles is a small boys piss in the ocean when talking of the mega distances involved and certainly does not on its own explain one degree in winter and thirty plus degrees in summer

and this constant nit picking debate confirms my hypothesis

So sit back and enjoy fire flood tempest wars famine and pestilence coming to your local area very very shortly

BECAUSE THERE IS BUGGERALL MAN WILL DO ABOUT IT

NERO fiddles as Rome burns