Thailand, land of smiles. But only if you’re white

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Thailand, land of smiles. But only if you’re white

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Sad but true. Talk about getting the wind knocked out of your sails if you're black and arrive here with high expectations. :( Pete

http://www.cnngo.com/bangkok/life/tell- ... ite-238803

Dwight Turner: Thailand, land of smiles. But only if you’re white
Finding no humor in a controversial Thai ad reserving seats for “people with white skin,” this Bangkok writer looks back on his own unfortunate experiences
By Dwight Turner 9 March, 2011

Mass media is the easiest place to peer into the attitudes Thais have about dark skin.

Turn on a cartoon on TV and notice the dark villains and the white heroes. Flip a few more channels or go through a stack of magazines and you'll find that being dark is almost never associated with beauty, power or success.

You don't even have to go looking for these messages; the ubiquity of advertising ensures that they come to you.

For example, take the now-removed ad on the BTS Sky Train that reads, "These seats are reserved for people with white skin" -- a play on the common signage reserving seats for the monks and elderly.

Perhaps those seats should be reserved for the mentally-handicapped marketers, advertisers and their clients who reviewed the ad and, clouded by ignorance and greed, thought it was a clever idea.

Am I wrong for seeing this ad on my commute to work and wanting in angry desperation to hijack the sound systems in Bangkok's giant shopping malls? I could replace the vapid Bossa versions of pop music with an authentic dose of civil rights era tunes.

But would it be enough to slip some James Brown into Thai society's morning coffee? Could that alone make them proud to be a multifaceted nation of tan and brown people, ending any contempt they hold for darker foreigners?

Perhaps I came to Bangkok five years ago with expectations that were too high? Before my arrival I was hypnotized by the proselytizing of travel writers and tourism campaigns, championing Thailand as the "land of smiles."

But none of the travel advice I read, language I learned, nor cultural practices I mastered prepared me for how I'd be perceived and treated because of my dark skin -- an ugly reality of life in Thailand that is hardly discussed and rarely challenged.

I arrived unaware of the trouble my appearance would cause, stepping off the plane with a giant grin. For the first few days I was beaming, smiling at anyone I met as I settled into my new life in Bangkok.

When my enthusiasm was returned with glares or frowns by some, I began smiling even brighter, discounting those encounters, however frequent, as anomalies.

However my smiling defiance of these uncouth surroundings ran dry during one particular job interview.

Neither I, nor the Western friend who arranged the short notice interview at one of Bangkok's most prestigious schools, had any idea the interviewer would tell me I was too black to teach there.

"You'll scare the children," the interviewer blurted, with no mention of my qualifications. He then quickly began retracting his words to formulate an excuse about the position being unessential and already filled.

This would turn out to be one of my most direct collisions with discrimination in this country, but not the last time I'd have my unread resume returned along with fragmented excuses while being whisked out the door.

In 2011, the year the United Nations has proclaimed the "International Year for People of African Descent," is my heritage really THAT scary? Has it rendered my appearance so wildly different from yours that our slight difference in pigmentation induces fear?

No.

The truth is that the people of Thailand have long been duped into loving an image of beauty that is not their own. Thais come in a wide range of colors, but much to their frustration, none of them includes white.

The history of color-based discrimination in Thailand is long and complicated. Unlike colonized South Asian countries, Thailand has been more subtly robbed of its brown skin heritage by a lucrative cosmetic industry, being force fed images of Western beauty by local and foreign media from countries like the United States.

Aside from heavy use of cosmetics, surgery and avoiding the sun in vampire-like fashion, Thais' skin isn't vastly different from blacks, Indians and other dark-skinned people who are frequently victims of discrimination here.

But not only is this one area where bigotry overrides what would otherwise be seen as a commonality in foreigners. Thais frequently use their compatriots' natural adaptation to their frying pan climate as a way of subjugating them to those with doctored skin.

A recent study found that women bare a disproportionate amount of the pressure to be whiter than white. This shows that whiteness has been elevated beyond what is attractive and become a requirement for acceptance in mainstream Thai culture.

So then what hope is there for children whose complexions look nothing like what they see on TV? I can't help but wonder if young girls respond to humiliating taunting by peers and adults by submitting prayers to a fairy godmother who never appears to alleviate their burning desire to look like "Snow White."

Or perhaps Thais don't have imaginary fairy godmothers and are more like the princess in the film "Uncle Boonmee Who Can Recall His Past Lives," confiding qualms about their appearance to a seductive, yet equally unreliable catfish.

I guess in the instances of flaky fairy godmothers and cheeky catfish, there's always the Buddhist belief in reincarnation. Better start crossing your fingers now if you hope to be reborn into a designated seat on the sky train speeding toward an anorexic, glow-in-the-dark after-life.

So when I fantasize about the idea of Thais waking up and having a brown renaissance, I'm not bloated with the expectation that Thais will consider teaching their youth to be proud of their appearance no matter how they look.

Neither in the year that the UN is engaging nations on how to end racism, am I pleading with Thais to consider hiring people based on their ability and not their appearance.

That would be asking too much and living here has taught me to lower my expectations about such rapid, drastic change.

This year I'm willing to settle for a seat on the train -- and just a few more returned smiles.
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Over the years here in HH I now firmly believe the Thai 'smile' only appears if you are buying something from a
Thai or you're about to, or even a slight chance of money exchange between them and your good self.
(This may be a tourist- resort related issue..?)
Next time you go down the night-market behind the City Beach hotel..check for smiles..the traders are so hardened, they won't give discount, won't smile and it's hard for them to look you in the eye & smile even
as they hand you your newly-purchased item in its bag.

Even the bars are getting this way..you ask for 'check-bin' politely..you get the bill pushed at you, no please or thank you..hence when i get this I will not leave a tip..hard cows.
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Racism/discrimination is alive and well here, especially in such a shallow area as skin colour, and it's way worse that any of the west really.

Look no further than the cometics industry and their advertising, it's a disgrace really. They grind all into the ground because of it and attribute so much to a person on how they appear, regardless of anything else, and brainwashing them all hopelessly in the process into craving what they are not. To be fair though, but doesn't make it right of course, it is all over Asia that this happens, not just Thailand.
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Poor old Dwight might wish to reflect that apart from his sun tan that there may have been other issues at stake! Perhaps a wander around Isaan would make him feel more at home? Get over it Dwight there are many forms of discrimination EVERYWHERE .
Yeap the smile quotient is definitely on the wane but then again this smile quotient IMO is pretty much a facade anyway.
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usual suspect wrote:Over the years here in HH I now firmly believe the Thai 'smile' only appears if you are buying something from a
Thai or you're about to, or even a slight chance of money exchange between them and your good self.
(This may be a tourist- resort related issue..?)
Next time you go down the night-market behind the City Beach hotel..check for smiles..the traders are so hardened, they won't give discount, won't smile and it's hard for them to look you in the eye & smile even
as they hand you your newly-purchased item in its bag.

Even the bars are getting this way..you ask for 'check-bin' politely..you get the bill pushed at you, no please or thank you..hence when i get this I will not leave a tip..hard cows.
Good point US - why are the stall holders on that market (generally) different to those in the other markets? The difference is marked enough that I wouldn't consider getting anything from them.
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1) Yes the traders at that market are a miserable bunch, so if it bugs you, simply go elsewhere. I can't see why any expat would shop there in the first place, given the stupid prices they charge.

2) If waiters are push the bill at you and not smiling, you're either going to the wrong places, or you have to take a look at yourself. I still find the average Thai a pleasant person, and one who smiles often. Just to add a little weight here - one of the first things my wife commented on when she arrived in the UK several years ago, was the fact that nobody ever smiled.

3) Dwight - Get over it and stop feeling sorry for yourself, because it swings both ways. About a year or so ago when down in Ranong for a visa stamp, I was given 90 days instead of 15. On the way back from the Anderman club immigration, the taxi got a call from immigration for us to return. When we got back, the immigration changed my 90 days to 15 days and said that even though I come from South Africa, I'm white farang so only get 15 days.

The Thais are racist, especially towards farang, whether you're white or black. Hell, you can even be refused a job because you're not the right build. Where my wife works, each and every girl in the offices has a fantastic figure. There is not even one overweight girl/woman, and I doubt that that's a coincidence. :shock:


As another has already posted this happens throughout Asia, and it's not about to change, at least not just yet....
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I recall, when I first arrived here, a Thai Police colonel telling me to not find a brown-skinned partner. Nor a Muslim one either. I dismissed it. I've since seen the discrimination. At a large dinner in Bangkok, arranged by an International organization, attended by 20 different nationalities, some black, my Thai girlfriend was cut dead. Not by any of the foreigners, who found her delightful, but by the Thais. I wrote to the Thai organizer afterwards and politely threatened to have them struck off the organization (I'm friends with the founders) if they ever repeated it.

I'd be interested to learn at what point this attitude started to prevail? Is it solely due to the cosmetic industry, or is it the influence of lighter skinned and wealthier Chinese and/or Colonial-like attitudes towards 'wogs'? Perhaps it is more calculating. A cynical propaganda exercise designed to keep a large section of the population 'in their place'. Making them useful as a source of cheap labour and prostitution. Exploitable.

So much of the Thai population is poor and uneducated, it is easy to manipulate them. Instead of rising up in revolution, they take the bait and aspire to be something they can never be. This is a triumph of social engineering.

Aren't we discriminated against? Two-tier pricing based on ethnicity, extorted because we are all 'wealthy'? Cannot purchase land? Cannot work in many Thai-only professions? The word 'falang' is ubiquitous. How many Thais have you noticed are a bit 'sniffy' with you? And doesn't this attitude infect some of us, treating Thais more like servants than equals? How many 'ugly foreigners' have you heard berating Thais? Isn't there an expectation among Thais that 'Hi-So's' WILL treat you badly? They've had their roles defined for them and they have obviously accepted them.

Thais are abusing Thais. Not just foreigners. It is just the 'natural' order of things. In India, the caste system takes this class separation to extreme levels. And yet, go to the villages and see how happier they are, compared to urban dwellers.

If you've been raised as a slave, you know nothing else. Humans, like animals, adapt to their cage. Whether physical or psychological. If we have been raised in freedom, human rights and affluence, we are shocked when we notice the absence of these things. So we give them their freedom. They become dissatisfied. No longer focussed on heat, fuel and a home, they now seek industrialized food, Pepsi, expensive cars, stressful jobs, they become corporate or government drones. Are they suffering? Or are we?

The poorer Thais I've met have simplistic attitudes to life. Because of this they aren't burdened with mental stress in the same way we are. Their problem isn't so much dark skin. It's that rice has gone from 10 thb to 11.

I take no notice of this and enjoy the positive aspects. Otherwise my love affair with Thailand is is doomed. If I encounter discrimination, I never go back. As long as we 'whites' are benefiting from the pool of young, dark-skinned maidens, who desire to have half-Thai and half-falang babies... aren't we benefiting from and therefore sustaining discrimination? Aren't our concerns a little hollow?

I agree the cosmetics industry is cruel. But capitalism is based on making us dissatisfied with who we are and what we have. It excels at creating desire, dissatisfaction. No market, no jobs. In every aspect of our lives. We are all discriminatory, often without realizing it. We've been conditioned that way.

The problem is not just the colour of our skin.
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Brevity Mr.P. Do try, it would make your posts easier to digest. Now what was your point again?

Oh yes, dug it out now and do you know what? I largely agree (minus your little bit of bullying)! :thumb:
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caller wrote:Brevity Mr.P. Do try, it would make your posts easier to digest. Now what was your point again?
Stick to the subject matter and stop critiquing my failings. How many times do you need telling?

Do you get THAT point? :banghead:
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MrPlum wrote:'wogs'.
Good post MrP if you excuse the casual racism nonchalantly thrown in.

Wogs? Are you Alf Garnett?
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BaaBaa. wrote:Wogs? Are you Alf Garnett?
No, he's Mr Grumpy! :wink:
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BaaBaa. wrote:
MrPlum wrote:'wogs'.
Good post MrP if you excuse the casual racism nonchalantly thrown in.

Wogs? Are you Alf Garnett?
I did say colonial-like attitudes to distance myself from it. I also put it in comments to add more distance. Since I've said I have a Thai g/f who clearly is darker-skinned, that puts me even further away from such thinking. How many clues do you need I'm nothing like Alf?

So, I'll take it you are just pulling my leg. :cheers:
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Takiap wrote:
The Thais are racist, especially towards farang, whether you're white or black.
I agree with the general sentiment of Takiap's post, but I don't think there's any such thing as a black farang. As far as I'm aware, when Thais don't say "black man" they use the word "negro"...
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Conversely, you could ask the vast majority of Thai (or any non-white) nationals living in Europe about the welcome they often receive, and I've little doubt their answer would differ overly much from everything that was said above.

No personal attacks. Just think putting things into perspective would be a good idea ;p

After all, for those who are European nationals, think of the phenomenal amount of taxes, rainy days, cold, sour mood in general, etc... you would be faced with in Europe. I know little of the States so I'll avoid commenting. But when you think that a packet of cigarettes in a country like France will cost you... what? 12 Euros? More? And a coffee about 5... and that'd you have to purchase them from some stuck up shopkeeper who'd most likely be in a bad mood, I think putting up with a handful of Thais with a superiority complex isn't such a bad thing in the long run ;p
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watching the Thais wearing balaclavas scared me at first but judging from the attitude in hh you cant blame them. I will be mostly wearing factor 50!
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