Nice post T.I.G.R.
Now we know where you are coming from. A big fish in a small pond.
One thing that disturbs me howerver, is surely that a forum like this is about sharing information so those who are planning a life in HH can benefit from our wealth of information whether we are fat cats or poor retirees. Admin and mods correct me if I am wrong on that point.
I have learnt more from this forum about HH than I could possibly gain from books, ads and websites whos content is usually out of date and bullshit.
If we all shut up and decided not to impart information what a boring bunch of farts we would be and the forum would die a slow death.
Maybe it is a case of fat cats (big fish) not liking having more fat cats (big fish) in their pond.
Wild west syndrome " Aint room for two of us in town" strikes an American culture chord
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thaiorchid
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Richard.
First of all, thanks for some good reading from Isaan.
Now to your rich friend. I have to agree with T.I.G.R., it smells troll a long way.
But even if it is not, no I am not jelaous, I am honestly happy for people, who are succesful in life and in business, so I am not trying take anyone down from the pedestal. But I do have a little problem with people, who in their post no 4 here wonders if their future neighbours will be able to handle their wealth. (the OPs that is).
Making it even worse TAMAN joins in, asking for prices of luxury cars in post no 2. Easy goggled, but not so much fun ? Currency-fluctuations, give us a break, smart guys like you have ofcourse hedged!!
So maybe this is the future of this forum: Out with ads for humble guesthouses, cheap bars and eateries for people on a budget. And in comes promotion for Benz, BMW and Franck Muller ?
For the rest of us: "Nong Plub is not so bad !"
I wonder how many PMs Hawk has got from posters here offering their services in different departments. A crumb is better than nothing.
thaiorchid
First of all, thanks for some good reading from Isaan.
Now to your rich friend. I have to agree with T.I.G.R., it smells troll a long way.
But even if it is not, no I am not jelaous, I am honestly happy for people, who are succesful in life and in business, so I am not trying take anyone down from the pedestal. But I do have a little problem with people, who in their post no 4 here wonders if their future neighbours will be able to handle their wealth. (the OPs that is).
Making it even worse TAMAN joins in, asking for prices of luxury cars in post no 2. Easy goggled, but not so much fun ? Currency-fluctuations, give us a break, smart guys like you have ofcourse hedged!!
So maybe this is the future of this forum: Out with ads for humble guesthouses, cheap bars and eateries for people on a budget. And in comes promotion for Benz, BMW and Franck Muller ?
For the rest of us: "Nong Plub is not so bad !"
I wonder how many PMs Hawk has got from posters here offering their services in different departments. A crumb is better than nothing.
thaiorchid
Hey, I got our bill today and it was a record low for this time of the year, only 8,962 baht. In previous years my mid August to mid September bill was between 12 and 15k! I've been trying to conserve and it seems to be working. The thing that bothers me is that the actual electric usage is only 6,346 baht and the other 27% is the 7% tax and some kind of surcharge!By way of example I found a post by HHfarang re his electricity expenses to be very interesting given our present consumption of energy and our likely consumption if/when we move to Thailand.
My brain is like an Internet browser; 12 tabs are open and 5 of them are not responding, there's a GIF playing in an endless loop,... and where is that annoying music coming from?
Well said!Wanderlust wrote:T.I.G.R,
I don't really understand - why wouldn't he want to come to Thailand? You are implying that only people who have less money want to come here, which is clearly not the case. You only have to look at some of the larger properties in this area to know that. I am sure there are some on this forum who deal in the sort of budget he is talking about so hopefully they will advise, either on this thread or privately. You seem to think this board and Thailand is populated by people who can't afford to live in their own countries judging by your comment.
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I'll not add much to T.I.G.R.'s eloquent response, only to add that the OP stuck me as a bit of a troll, and a bit pompous. I may be wrong, and if so I sit corrected. I was just calling it as I saw it. Jealous schmealous, I couldn't care less what others have, I try to be content with cultivating my own garden.
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What will it cost?
Maybe a balance of info on the forum isn't such a bad thing? People the world over can afford Mercs and Beamers so what's so different about wanting to run one in LOS? (Not that the OP has actually asked about new car prices anyway.)
Recommendations about finding a Thai wife are all well and good, and true, a Thai partner can save a farang a lot of money on day to day basis. Lets just hope those who advocate it so strongly remain happily married and with cash intact. Some haven't, and maybe wish now they had stayed single and spent a little more on things like eating out and bar fines.
But I'm quite honestly amazed by HHF's electricity bill! If 8962 baht for a month is considered to be low, then the cost of living in LOS obviously does require a stockbrokers' salary to sustain it comfortably these days.
That monthly bill alone would pay for over 3 months worth of my useage here in the UK. Scary.
Recommendations about finding a Thai wife are all well and good, and true, a Thai partner can save a farang a lot of money on day to day basis. Lets just hope those who advocate it so strongly remain happily married and with cash intact. Some haven't, and maybe wish now they had stayed single and spent a little more on things like eating out and bar fines.
But I'm quite honestly amazed by HHF's electricity bill! If 8962 baht for a month is considered to be low, then the cost of living in LOS obviously does require a stockbrokers' salary to sustain it comfortably these days.
That monthly bill alone would pay for over 3 months worth of my useage here in the UK. Scary.
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To all of you 
I want to take this time to thank all of you, generally and individually, for all the assistance you were able to provide; not only with answers but the ability to see that just one or two can give a forum a bad name. When people come to forums they not only take away with them the knowledge gained from sincere people but also the bad taste of those who can’t think outside the box.
I received 36 replies fortunate for me 30 of them were either helpful information or commenting on what someone else had said. There were ads consisting of minimal information and ads that contained a large quantity of information; but they all provided me with a collage of information when put together was enough to form a decision.
To that extent I want to thank Margaret, PET, buksida, hhfarang, brianks, migrant, loverboy44, Wanderlust, thaiorchid, Lung Per, and Taman.
To Norm thank you; your information was very complete and I was able to share with others that made it easier to make a decision. To JAJA, thank you very much; can’t say how much yours was really, really good. To prcscct (Pete) you were off the track, you got on the track, you realized you were on the wrong track with your thoughts and comments, made the correction and I applaud you. And Richard, well what can I say there? You were very supportive and additionally helpful away from the HH forum and I thank you.
And then of course there were those that made the whole episode a nightmare.
HiLux; if you can’t say anything that is meaningful and constructive don’t say anything at all. It only makes you look foolish. To conclude that I can resolve my problems of looking for a driver, cook and housekeeper by marrying a Thai says very little about who you are and how you think of your wife or for that matter the Thai female. But then you actually went from sounding foolish to sounding intelligent when you suggested to live in Cha – am and traveling to Bkk for the A & S and golf.
Shunpike, to take my quote and then advise me that staying at home will provide me with what I am looking for tells me you don’t get out a lot. I am sure that Thailand has the Arts and Sciences. When I was here for a month I went to a theatrical production and all those temples and artifacts, don’t think that was Lego land. I am also sure that I can find an agency (already have) that can provide me with transportation when I need it.
And now dare I least forget T.I.G.R.. I don’t know what makes you so alienated against the wealthy but you need to get past it. My grandfather was wealthy, my father was wealthy and I am wealthy and I will not apologize for any of us for having what we have. We did not sit back on our laurels and expect the world to give us what we have. As the old saying goes “we earned every penny of it”.
You need to be cognizant that there needs to be the rich and there needs to be the poor. Why do I say this? Because without the poor the rich will never know what it will be like to lose all they have and without the rich the poor will never know what can be attainable.
To call me a Blowhard because I mention what I earn. I did that so the forum would not think I was giving the a line of crap and be better informed that they did not waste their time. All this does is, it tells me that someone messed with your head (this LANative which is that the same as NYWarrior), and you think everyone comes from his house. How wrong you are. You need to stop judging people that don’t fit just where you would like them to be. You have a problem when:
1. You have to remind me that you have a nice condo on the beach and I don’t; I probably don’t, I live in Calabasas; beach 9 miles away.
2. You drive an SUV with a big honkin’ engine; you’re right again I drive a Toyota Avalon with 6 cyl. I don’t need something that takes me to the petrol station every 5 mins.
3. That you have a beautiful wife that is young and smart. Of course you would tell us that; I don’t believe for a minute you would tell us that you have “an ugly wife that is old and stupid”
4. And finally to tell me that you live in a condo that has a value of 20 million bhat (that’s like 600,000 usd). I guess I will be downsizing if I come to Cha Am. Through a divorce we sold our home at 3.8 million; and I don’t intend to buy. Had you read the ad closely you would have seen that.
You have an identity problem; you forgot to do something alone the way of life. Prepare for the future and now you think we all need to live like you. I don’t have to impress you nor do I have to ask “who I am” I am very solid on my feet and I placed my family in the same situation. I take extreme risks in my day to day working activities and because I do I am paid very well. For the sake of this forum you need to clean up your act or stay away from it. You give it a bad name. I for one will not come back here to ask for information; not because of the others but because of you. I want to leave to a better place. I was hoping to leave these arrogant, belligerent, sarcastic, obnoxious, (can’t think of anymore adjectives) people but found they moved 8263 miles away. But what are you going to do, they are probably somewhere else on this good earth.
Thanks to all of you for your help and should you like to stay in touch then please see Richard, he has my email address.
Oh yes T.I.G.R. I have to ask, it’s been burning at my thought system. Your cat… is it trying to open its left eye or trying to close its right one
or is it just checking to see if both are working?
I want to take this time to thank all of you, generally and individually, for all the assistance you were able to provide; not only with answers but the ability to see that just one or two can give a forum a bad name. When people come to forums they not only take away with them the knowledge gained from sincere people but also the bad taste of those who can’t think outside the box.
I received 36 replies fortunate for me 30 of them were either helpful information or commenting on what someone else had said. There were ads consisting of minimal information and ads that contained a large quantity of information; but they all provided me with a collage of information when put together was enough to form a decision.
To that extent I want to thank Margaret, PET, buksida, hhfarang, brianks, migrant, loverboy44, Wanderlust, thaiorchid, Lung Per, and Taman.
To Norm thank you; your information was very complete and I was able to share with others that made it easier to make a decision. To JAJA, thank you very much; can’t say how much yours was really, really good. To prcscct (Pete) you were off the track, you got on the track, you realized you were on the wrong track with your thoughts and comments, made the correction and I applaud you. And Richard, well what can I say there? You were very supportive and additionally helpful away from the HH forum and I thank you.
And then of course there were those that made the whole episode a nightmare.
HiLux; if you can’t say anything that is meaningful and constructive don’t say anything at all. It only makes you look foolish. To conclude that I can resolve my problems of looking for a driver, cook and housekeeper by marrying a Thai says very little about who you are and how you think of your wife or for that matter the Thai female. But then you actually went from sounding foolish to sounding intelligent when you suggested to live in Cha – am and traveling to Bkk for the A & S and golf.
Shunpike, to take my quote and then advise me that staying at home will provide me with what I am looking for tells me you don’t get out a lot. I am sure that Thailand has the Arts and Sciences. When I was here for a month I went to a theatrical production and all those temples and artifacts, don’t think that was Lego land. I am also sure that I can find an agency (already have) that can provide me with transportation when I need it.
And now dare I least forget T.I.G.R.. I don’t know what makes you so alienated against the wealthy but you need to get past it. My grandfather was wealthy, my father was wealthy and I am wealthy and I will not apologize for any of us for having what we have. We did not sit back on our laurels and expect the world to give us what we have. As the old saying goes “we earned every penny of it”.
You need to be cognizant that there needs to be the rich and there needs to be the poor. Why do I say this? Because without the poor the rich will never know what it will be like to lose all they have and without the rich the poor will never know what can be attainable.
To call me a Blowhard because I mention what I earn. I did that so the forum would not think I was giving the a line of crap and be better informed that they did not waste their time. All this does is, it tells me that someone messed with your head (this LANative which is that the same as NYWarrior), and you think everyone comes from his house. How wrong you are. You need to stop judging people that don’t fit just where you would like them to be. You have a problem when:
1. You have to remind me that you have a nice condo on the beach and I don’t; I probably don’t, I live in Calabasas; beach 9 miles away.
2. You drive an SUV with a big honkin’ engine; you’re right again I drive a Toyota Avalon with 6 cyl. I don’t need something that takes me to the petrol station every 5 mins.
3. That you have a beautiful wife that is young and smart. Of course you would tell us that; I don’t believe for a minute you would tell us that you have “an ugly wife that is old and stupid”
4. And finally to tell me that you live in a condo that has a value of 20 million bhat (that’s like 600,000 usd). I guess I will be downsizing if I come to Cha Am. Through a divorce we sold our home at 3.8 million; and I don’t intend to buy. Had you read the ad closely you would have seen that.
You have an identity problem; you forgot to do something alone the way of life. Prepare for the future and now you think we all need to live like you. I don’t have to impress you nor do I have to ask “who I am” I am very solid on my feet and I placed my family in the same situation. I take extreme risks in my day to day working activities and because I do I am paid very well. For the sake of this forum you need to clean up your act or stay away from it. You give it a bad name. I for one will not come back here to ask for information; not because of the others but because of you. I want to leave to a better place. I was hoping to leave these arrogant, belligerent, sarcastic, obnoxious, (can’t think of anymore adjectives) people but found they moved 8263 miles away. But what are you going to do, they are probably somewhere else on this good earth.
Thanks to all of you for your help and should you like to stay in touch then please see Richard, he has my email address.
Oh yes T.I.G.R. I have to ask, it’s been burning at my thought system. Your cat… is it trying to open its left eye or trying to close its right one
or is it just checking to see if both are working?
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Huh?hawk3164 wrote:.....To prcscct (Pete) you were off the track, you got on the track, you realized you were on the wrong track with your thoughts and comments, made the correction and I applaud you.....
Wrong poster Hawk. As explained BC I only posted car prices and links based upon Taman's questions/comments. Pete 
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1) If you where to take your own medicine this topic would have been much shorter.hawk3164 wrote:
HiLux; if you can’t say anything that is meaningful and constructive don’t say anything at all.
2) I find it very rude to PM somebody just to call them a fool. Please do not do that again.
I have never employed a cook a housekeeper and a driver. I can only say that my (thai) wife is doing the cooking, cleaning and she loves to drive our car. Not that I am sleeping on the couch while she is workingit, I have off course other chores.
In my opinion your statement only tells that you have no clue to Thailand and thai culture, which I would suggest you study if you want to live in thailand.
Hilux
If you want to make your dream come true, the first thing you have to do is to wake up.
How can anybody already living in Thailand be jealous of a person just planning to live in Thailand?
"There's no plausible or convincing reason, certainly no evidential one, to believe that there is such an entity (= deity) and that all observable phenomena, including the cosmological ones... are explicable without the hypothesis; you don't need the assumption."
Hawk -
Thank you for your sterling reply to all of us, those who helped you and those who didn't. If two pages analyzing our assistance and shortcomings doesn't qualify you for my original opinion I don't know what does.
I also wish to thank you taking an entire page to provide me with a free analysis of my personal shortcomings. This is an honor I shall cherish.
In answer to your questions, I believe many of "the wealthy" are dolts who acquired money through no fault of their own. I cannot argue with your suggestion that I get "past it", but I'm perfectly happy to not get past it. I think the "we earned every penny of it" is a little disingenuous since you had a pretty good head start thanks to Grandpa and Dad didn't you? If you're not a dolt good for you and congratulations.
In regards to my cat, You can take your thought system and shove it.
"For the sake of this forum", we've done pretty well without you so don't let the door hit you in the rear on your way out.
Thank you for your sterling reply to all of us, those who helped you and those who didn't. If two pages analyzing our assistance and shortcomings doesn't qualify you for my original opinion I don't know what does.
I also wish to thank you taking an entire page to provide me with a free analysis of my personal shortcomings. This is an honor I shall cherish.
In answer to your questions, I believe many of "the wealthy" are dolts who acquired money through no fault of their own. I cannot argue with your suggestion that I get "past it", but I'm perfectly happy to not get past it. I think the "we earned every penny of it" is a little disingenuous since you had a pretty good head start thanks to Grandpa and Dad didn't you? If you're not a dolt good for you and congratulations.
In regards to my cat, You can take your thought system and shove it.
"For the sake of this forum", we've done pretty well without you so don't let the door hit you in the rear on your way out.
I'm jealous of the ones who manage to get out!How can anybody already living in Thailand be jealous of a person just planning to live in Thailand?
My brain is like an Internet browser; 12 tabs are open and 5 of them are not responding, there's a GIF playing in an endless loop,... and where is that annoying music coming from?
Thank you for those who responded to my post. Yes everything is capable of being googled but it is amazing how much information I have gleaned forum this forum that does given one a fuller perspective on various topics.
As to cars, I am interesting in people’s experiences with various makes in Thailand. I was also interested in the discussion about rats causing problems with engines by gnawing away at various components.
As to my reference to the need to factor in exchange rate fluctuations, I recollect reading some time ago some posts dealing where ex pats were expressing grief because their UK pension payments/investment income and a rising THB were causing financial pressures for them. It is not just the problem of buying in at a point in time (if buying is the way you want to go), but if the decision is to live in Thailand in retirement on a permanent basis, ensuring that your income from your home country will be sufficient irrespective of currency fluctuations to meet your lifestyle needs. This is not just a simple matter of hedging. My point in raising the topic is that for the new comer and, hawk3164’s post was as a potential new comer, this needs to be factored in. Yes I would be interested in how different strategies have worked out in practice.
To hawk3164, from my experience most of the ex pats in Hua Hin are pretty laid back, but no matter where you go you will come across the arrogant, belligerent, sarcastic, and obnoxious. I was surprised by some of the responses, but that is life.
Hua Hin is really a pretty magical part of the world and is worth a try.
As to cars, I am interesting in people’s experiences with various makes in Thailand. I was also interested in the discussion about rats causing problems with engines by gnawing away at various components.
As to my reference to the need to factor in exchange rate fluctuations, I recollect reading some time ago some posts dealing where ex pats were expressing grief because their UK pension payments/investment income and a rising THB were causing financial pressures for them. It is not just the problem of buying in at a point in time (if buying is the way you want to go), but if the decision is to live in Thailand in retirement on a permanent basis, ensuring that your income from your home country will be sufficient irrespective of currency fluctuations to meet your lifestyle needs. This is not just a simple matter of hedging. My point in raising the topic is that for the new comer and, hawk3164’s post was as a potential new comer, this needs to be factored in. Yes I would be interested in how different strategies have worked out in practice.
To hawk3164, from my experience most of the ex pats in Hua Hin are pretty laid back, but no matter where you go you will come across the arrogant, belligerent, sarcastic, and obnoxious. I was surprised by some of the responses, but that is life.
Hua Hin is really a pretty magical part of the world and is worth a try.