Joe Cole Hua Hin property ploy cost us a fortune

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It would of course be better to look at the future rather than the past as Wanderlust says, but sadly I would disagree with the statement that the good outweigh the bad.

They are still there if not a little quiet at present, same developers/real estate agents. Some who never had a pot to Pi-s in until funded by undesirable associates.

As for the resurrection of the so called trade body to police these activities, not a chance.

You would need real teeth behind this sort of organisation with involvment from Thai authorities and due to current land laws here there is no way they would get involved.

Nice thought though, :cheers:

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Ofcourse the good outweigh the bad, but it is the bad stories that make the news and forums, which is logical.

Agree about the body, this will never occur.

The recent publicised cases of people's bad stories together with the recession should help buyers when things pick up again. They will buying from established developers with a proper trackrecord where buyers monies are not soley being relied on to fund the development.
Ofcourse you will never totally eradicate the other element.
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the good, the bad, and the ugly

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Wanderlust wrote:hhs,
I think I would give up on trying to find a collective term that fits all the potential undesirables in the property business here, mainly because you'll never find one!
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Thanks, WL, you just gave me one THE UNDESIRABLES. brings back memories of THE UNTOUCHABLES, which it appears some of THE UNDESIRABLES may be.
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Fortunately I think they are outweighed quite substantially now by good, honest professionals, although no doubt when the good times return the bad 'uns will start reappearing. I would have thought now would be the ideal time for the good 'uns to try to resurrect the trade body that was going to be formed actually, after all they must have more spare time to give it some thought? Better to look to the future than dwell on the past I'd say.
I guess you're not familiar with the history of the now defunct 'trade body" of which I was the Consumer Representative. It was my vigerous participation as such that contributed to my assassination. The bad and the ugly developers or their henchmen showed up at the meetings, took notes, tried to disrupt and hinder progress by claiming every positive suggestion was impossible to implement. They feared an organization that would pledge to do such things as put all electrical wire in conduit or paint all steel works with rust inhibiting paint, or fix things that were under warranty. They wouldn't join because it would cut down on their profits, so they had to do what they could to kill the trade association. There was a prominent RE agent who was responsible for organizing the meetings to discuss the trade association idea. He received such serious threats he moved out of HuaHin. End of trade association idea. On reflection I should have done same. The good may out number the bad, but they don't have the fire power.

The "good, honest, professionals" you mention know who the bad and the ugly are but it is dangerous to their health to say or do something, so they blame victims like me, who complain to the newspapers. I should just shut up and agree to be robbed of a couple million baht. When an article appears which is uncomplimentary to Hua Hin, it hurts everyone"s business, not just the bad guy's. But the good guys keep quiet. No one tries to put pressure on the bad and ugly to clean up their act.

So a complaint article hurts business. What kind of thinking thinks: MURDERING the complainer is the way to stop bad press about Hua Hin???? Noobody will notice??? A contract is put out on me, the complainer, I get shot and around the world goes the news of what can happen to you with builders in Hua Hin, Thailand. I wonder how many who googled Thailand or HuaHin read about murder and decided to give HH a miss? Now was that great thinking or simply rage that a 65 year old pensioner wouldn't roll over and agree to be cheated?

WE all know the solution but it involves a change in the culture, of which I cannot be specific, but all who have lived here know.
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I honestly thought that this thread was about joe cole and a development that he was a part of and its purpose was to inform people of just this.But yet again it seems its just another thread that donald is running as per normal to let people know how bad and sad his life is and that he has so much time on his hands that he has choosen to tell as many people how bad hua hin is and not to come here.I only hope that when people dont buy your homes or dont eat in your resturant or indeed dont advertise on websites or magazines you will then understand that you have been apart of this by allowing this to go on.
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huahinsimon wrote:I guess you're not familiar with the history of the now defunct 'trade body" of which I was the Consumer Representative. It was my vigerous participation as such that contributed to my assassination. The bad and the ugly developers or their henchmen showed up at the meetings, took notes, tried to disrupt and hinder progress by claiming every positive suggestion was impossible to implement. They feared an organization that would pledge to do such things as put all electrical wire in conduit or paint all steel works with rust inhibiting paint, or fix things that were under warranty. They wouldn't join because it would cut down on their profits, so they had to do what they could to kill the trade association.
Pure fantasy. I was at every meeting up until it was dropped by the vast majority of developers and tailed off into meetings with few attendees. I never once heard a discussion about wires, conduits or steelwork, it was always about more high level issues like the structure of the body, clear land titles, honouring warranties etc.
Maybe these items were mentioned by you in one of your numerous outburst of which I couldn't hear from the other side of the room, you were continually jumping to your feet disrupting the flow of the meetings to push your own agenda about your own problems and those of your friends with leaky roofs. You were an embarrassment to yourself.
Your interests have never been in the wider context of helping others avoid similar pitfalls but always your own self interests, but that's your entitlement. Let me make it clear your disruptive nature had absolutely no bearing on the failure to form the body, that was down to us.

With you I'm not sure the penny will ever drop that your emotive rants and bizarre and often infactual posts turn the subject into one great big circus and actually dilute the issue at hand.

The "good, honest, professionals" you mention know who the bad and the ugly are but it is dangerous to their health to say or do something, so they blame victims like me, who complain to the newspapers. I should just shut up and agree to be robbed of a couple million baht.
We're not the one's publically apologizing for our wrongdoings. :shock:

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Super Joe

Im glad there is someone else out there that understands donald and his circus.He will turn up time after time on threads going on about the same thing that will have nothing to do with the thread.He is not fully to blame for this its the mods that allow it to go on they can see whats happing but do sod all about it,maybe one day when the town has hit rock bottom and no one comes there as donald tell everyone that you will get robbed or have a rubbish meal or anything to keep people away you will then wont to take action against this fool well it will be to late then.
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most of the builders are binmen that know f--k all about building true or not I dont know but he purchased 2 homes from these binmen,now whos the fool
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joe cole ploy

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any news on whats happing with joe cole and the property ploy that cost us a fortune or is that another thread
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publically apologizing

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you said that your not the one making a public apology,you must be on about were donald told a developer that he and his wife was sorry for all the bad things that they have said and wrote about him,there seems to be a bit of a pattern here.That would allso be the one were his wife a school teacher tried to blackmail the developer but got nowhere infact the developer printed this in his paper to show everyone what these people are like,but yet the mods on this site still allow him to write his rubbish and try and blacken hua hin.
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keith wrote:But yet again it seems its just another thread that donald is running as per normal to let people know how bad and sad his life is and that he has so much time on his hands that he has choosen to tell as many people how bad hua hin is and not to come here.I.
A warm welcome to the forum, Keith. Presumably you know why HHS has so much time on his hands...? :roll:

I wonder what the proportion of locked property threads is compared to other sections...

Why can't you all just stick to useful information and leave out the personal abuse?
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dtaai maai

Why is it not possible for people to stick to what these threards are about instead of turning them into a circus and away of telling people the same story over and over again.This thread was running ok and talking about its title until donald came along which is always the case.
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