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cookmanchef wrote:These are very strange times Kendo and whereas normally a big rate cut would weaken sterling, this time it probably won't have much effect. The Fed and the BOJ have cut rates and their currencies have strengthened as they are seen as safe havens.

The UK government is planning a big spending plan on infrastructure projects to stimulate growth, I believe our currency independence gives us a better chance of an early recovery than the eurozone.

It means a hefty chunk of borrowing but our public debt is currently 43.4% of GDP compared to Germany at 65%, France 67% and Italy over 100%!!

The UK is a large importer so they want a relatively strong pound, Thailand needs its export business, however at the moment speculators are in control and governments powerless. My guess is the rate will be a lot more stable now and then start to rise when the UK shows the first signs of recovery next year.
At this moment in time we are importing very little, i drive the cranes in a container port so see this first hand, we have not even had the big rush on Christmas trade from about August because most of the christmas goods were allready here by June.
Another issue is that all the empty containers get shipped back out, for the last couple of years they have been backloading with waste paper, scrap metals and plastics, i know for a fact that the price off scrap metal has crashed, i know some lads that go around collect scrap metal and they were getting £225 a ton and know are getting just £15 a ton the China has stopped buying at the moment.

We are a consumer led industry and at our port we are down by around 40% all these huge container ships are coming in very light, and making small exchanges, i personaly have been hit very hard by this and have lost an considerable amount of money hence no holidays this year, i am only working about 30 hours a week this time last year i was knocking up 70-80 hours , so to combat this i have just perchased a van to be a part time courier.
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Falling again!

1.00 GBP = 52.6038 THB

1.00 GBP = 1.50551 USD

Soon the pound will be worth less than loo paper :(
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JimmyGreaves wrote:Falling again!

1.00 GBP = 52.6038 THB
Was that rate for notes maybe?

Siam City bank finished at 53.8125 today.

It is S**T though.

I heard BoT are meeting on 3rd Dec to cut interest rates, are we going to get a break soon or is this the rate for the foreseeable future. :cry:
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if you saw the BOE quarterly report this morning and the news conference that followed it, then you would see that the short term future for Sterling isnt the best.

Basically, the BOE are looking at an inflation rate of less than 1%, and possibly even negative next year. Economic growth outlook was not good.

They see Sterling as dropping, and the immediate tone of the analysts comments afterwards was that we could see a further 1% cut in rates in December and more next year.

Unless other central banks react as aggressively as the BOE then it looks like Sterling has further to fall. I think its dropped 3 1/2 cents against the euro today for. I dont think the ECB, for example, will be as aggressive, so would expect further strengthening of euro against GBP.

The good thing, is that with the BOE being so aggressive, the chances are that the UK will come out of recession quicker than elsewhere, and that subsequent growth wil be quicker. This will lead to a rapid rising in interest rates and in Sterling when people / city /BOE can see a turnaround in the economy. I personally wouldnt expect this to be much before the middle of 2009. The currency turnaround should happen a few months before real growth is seen.

At some point, IMHO, the political and economic situation in Thailand must have an effect on the THB. It would be interesting to know how much the BOT has spent keeping the THB where it is. But, foreign reserves are high, and they can keep supporting it longer than i can keep praying :-(

This is good news for anyone with Thai property / assets. Assuming they can sell them that is....

all IMHO. The situation is so fluid, that no really knows what the situation will be like at xmas, let alone in 1 year.
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fft100
an excellent post from someone who has a full understanding of the current situation.

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I see that the pound is now depressingly at an all time low against the Euro.
And some years ago I remember the argument against joining the Euro was based on the fact that the conversion rate was too low!
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The UK interest rate will likely touch close to 1% in the near future from the 3% at present and therefore I'll see the exchange rate to the Thai Baht at 40 - 45.

The baht follows the US Dollar and therefore is on a high right now and the government makes sure they'll avoid another 1997 disaster.
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icebear wrote:The UK interest rate will likely touch close to 1% in the near future from the 3% at present and therefore I'll see the exchange rate to the Thai Baht at 40 - 45.

The baht follows the US Dollar and therefore is on a high right now and the government makes sure they'll avoid another 1997 disaster.
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The baht follows the US Dollar and therefore is on a high right now and the government makes sure they'll avoid another 1997 disaster.
icebear,
it was because the baht was to strong in 97 that the economy crashed. today we have an over valued baht, exports under pressure because of global problems and the strength of the baht. serious foreign money has left the thai set (stock market) and gone out of the country. the government here are in denial and don't understand what to do. it will not be 97 again but next year the thai economy is in for a very rough ride.
in the short term the baht will gain versus the U.K. pound. i expect the exchange rate in the 3rd quarter next year to be at 60 baht rising to 65 by january 2010.
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I really can't see the UK government allowing the pound to drop to the level icebear is predicting (even if it were likely, which I don't think it is), because that would mean pretty much £1 = $1 - it just won't happen. I think the baht and the dollar will crash again, probably around the time that Obama gets sworn in or just after, while the pound will stay steady and then climb against those two currencies (and others). My best guess prediction against the baht (assuming no major events) is that by March 2009 the pound will be at or above 65 baht. I think it has hit its low point now and the only way is up! :mrgreen:
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miked wrote:
The baht follows the US Dollar and therefore is on a high right now and the government makes sure they'll avoid another 1997 disaster.
icebear,
it was because the baht was to strong in 97 that the economy crashed. today we have an over valued baht, exports under pressure because of global problems and the strength of the baht. serious foreign money has left the thai set (stock market) and gone out of the country. the government here are in denial and don't understand what to do. it will not be 97 again but next year the thai economy is in for a very rough ride.
in the short term the baht will gain versus the U.K. pound. i expect the exchange rate in the 3rd quarter next year to be at 60 baht rising to 65 by january 2010.
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Do you see it going below 50 in the coming months?
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[quote] My best guess prediction against the baht (assuming no major events) is that by March 2009 the pound will be at or above 65 baht. I think it has hit its low point now and the only way is up[/quote

wanderlust,
no way is that going to happen.
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BaaBaa.
i think it will go below 50 next week. the question is will it go below 40.??
however by 2010 the U.K. economy is predicted to show strong growth, inflation rising together with much higher interest rates. result ?? a strong pound. its all crazy.
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miked wrote:
My best guess prediction against the baht (assuming no major events) is that by March 2009 the pound will be at or above 65 baht. I think it has hit its low point now and the only way is up[/quote

wanderlust,
no way is that going to happen.
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How can you be so certain? It has already been agreed that the baht is tied to the dollar, so do you think the dollar can remain as strong as it is now? If so, how? What are the reasons for it to remain strong? This is aside from anything that may happen in Thailand itself of course. I just think that the markets will have already taken the UK's position into account by now, and don't think it will drop significantly any more - it has been steady around the 53-55 baht range for a couple of weeks now and most of the bad news has already happened. It hasn't been below 50 for a long, long time and I don't think it will now.
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fft100 posted on this yesterday. the only good thing is the BOE are finally taking strong action and the recession will be short.
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