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Re: Vaccines - Covid 19

Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 7:44 pm
by GroveHillWanderer
nil wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 2:07 pm It really doesn't change the fact that more patients are vaccinated. But this amount is not causing the hospitals to be overrun.
And it really doesn't change the fact that just looking at the raw numbers gives a skewed perspective.

For instance, if only 10% of the population is unvaccinated but they represent nearly 40% of those with severe illness then it's clear that being unvaccinated leaves you at greater risk of getting seriously ill.

Re: Vaccines - Covid 19

Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 8:00 pm
by GroveHillWanderer
europtimiste wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 5:23 pm A vaccine should protect you 5 to 10 years. Being injected every 3 or 6 months is not a vaccine, its shit. All manufacturers are making money with this lies. Only Pfizer made 3,5 billion dollars first 3 months. A good business for those imperialist, capitalist companies.
There's absolutely nothing in the definition of a vaccine that says it has to last any specific length of time.

As has already pointed out, flu vaccines last less than a year (sometimes, less that six months).

There's also no certainty as yet, that further boosters will be required after those currently being given. Perhaps they will, perhaps they won't - we just don't know.

In any event there are already a number of vaccines that require a course of three or more doses to reach full efficacy - hepatitis, pneumococcal, rabies and polio vaccines, for instance.

Re: Vaccines - Covid 19

Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 1:39 pm
by Dannie Boy
A follow up to the subject of unvaccinated people catching Covid and taking up precious bed-space that is needed to treat seriously unwell patients

https://inews.co.uk/news/health/doctors ... 336507/amp


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Re: Vaccines - Covid 19

Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 8:17 pm
by nil
In this interview Norman Fenton explains the results of a new report that analyses the latest ONS data on mortality of vaccinated v unvaccinated


Re: Vaccines - Covid 19

Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:53 pm
by PeteC
Mixing Pfizer, AstraZ COVID-19 shots with Moderna gives better immune response -UK study

https://www.reuters.com/business/health ... 021-12-06/ (Video at link)

Dec 6 (Reuters) - A major British study into mixing COVID-19 vaccines has found that people had a better immune response when they received a first dose of AstraZeneca or Pfizer-BioNTech shots followed by Moderna nine weeks later, according to the results on Monday.

"We found a really good immune response across the board..., in fact, higher than the threshold set by Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine two doses," Matthew Snape, the Oxford professor behind the trial dubbed Com-COV2, told Reuters.

The findings supporting flexible dosing will offer some hope to poor and middle income countries which may need to combine different brands between first and second shots if supplies run low or become unstable.

"I think the data from this study will be especially interesting and valuable to low- and middle-income countries where they're still rolling out the first two doses of vaccines," Snape said.

"We're showing...you don't have to stick rigidly to receiving the same vaccine for a second dose...and that if the programme will be delivered more quickly by using multiple vaccines, then it is okay to do so."

If the AstraZeneca-Oxford (AZN.L) vaccine is followed by a Moderna (MRNA.O) or Novavax (NVAX.O) shot, higher antibodies and T-cell responses were induced versus two doses of AstraZeneca-Oxford, according to researchers at the University of Oxford.

The study of 1,070 volunteers also found that a dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech (PFE.N), (22UAy.DE) vaccine followed by a Moderna (MRNA.O) shot was better than two doses of the standard Pfizer-BioNTech course.

Pfizer-BioNTech followed by Novavax induced higher antibodies than the two-dose Oxford-AstraZeneca schedule, although this schedule induced lower antibody and T-cell responses than the two-dose Pfizer-BioNTech schedule.

No safety concerns were raised, according to the Oxford University study published in the Lancet medical journal.

Many countries have been deploying a mix and match well before robust data was available as nations were faced with soaring infection numbers, low supplies and slow immunisation over some safety concerns.

Longevity of protection offered by vaccines has been under scrutiny, with booster doses being considered as well amid surging cases. New variants, including Delta and Omicron, have now increased the pressure to speed up vaccination campaigns.

Blood samples from participants were tested against the Wild-Type, Beta and Delta variants, researchers of the Com-COV2 study said, adding that vaccines' efficacy against the variants had waned, but this was consistent across mixed courses.

Deploying vaccines using technology from different platforms - like Pfizer and Moderna's mRNA, AstraZeneca's viral vector and Novavax's protein-based shot - and within the same schedule is new.

The results may inform new approaches to immunisation against other diseases, he said.

The study also found that a first dose of the AstraZeneca-Oxford vaccine followed by any of the other candidates in the study generated a particularly robust response, consistent with findings in June.

The study was designed as a so-called "non-inferiority" study – the intent is to demonstrate that mixing is not substantially worse than the standard schedules - and compares the immune system responses to the gold-standard responses reported in previous clinical trials of each vaccine.

Re: Vaccines - Covid 19

Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:22 pm
by handdrummer
Let's see what happens in a year or two. Short-term studies are not the gold standard for drug testing.

Re: Vaccines - Covid 19

Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 7:08 pm
by hhinner
handdrummer wrote:Let's see what happens in a year or two. Short-term studies are not the gold standard for drug testing.
One important difference between drugs and vaccines is that vaccines are normally a once or twice a year (or even once a lifetime) event and don't remain in the body for more than a few days. Drugs, on the other hand tend to be prescribed over longer periods and may accumulate in the body and have longer time to cause adverse effects. Drug testing will examine the consequences of longer term use. Some drugs, of course, have sometimes nasty side effects and their use is balanced against patients' needs.

Re: Vaccines - Covid 19

Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:41 pm
by handdrummer
hhinner wrote: Tue Dec 07, 2021 7:08 pm
handdrummer wrote:Let's see what happens in a year or two. Short-term studies are not the gold standard for drug testing.
One important difference between drugs and vaccines is that vaccines are normally a once or twice a year (or even once a lifetime) event and don't remain in the body for more than a few days. Drugs, on the other hand tend to be prescribed over longer periods and may accumulate in the body and have longer time to cause adverse effects. Drug testing will examine the consequences of longer term use. Some drugs, of course, have sometimes nasty side effects and their use is balanced against patients' needs.
True, with one caveat; sometimes the side effects of the vaccines remain in the body for long periods.

All drugs have side effects, whether or not we're affected by them is an unknown until we use them.

Re: Vaccines - Covid 19

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 10:37 am
by hhinner
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If anyone is left who wants a first shot of COVID-19 vaccination there is WALK-IN available at Bluport tomorrow, 9th Nov.

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Re: Vaccines - Covid 19

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 11:33 am
by Osandpo
Does anyone (perhaps the ever wise @Grovehillwanderer ) know what is actually being measured in this 40 times claim? What’s the base they’re calculating from?

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-fir ... t-12489417

Re: Vaccines - Covid 19

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 12:20 pm
by HHTel
The big plus in this (hopefully) is reports that there hasn't been anyone seriously ill or died from this variant worldwide. Hopefully that proves true

Re: Vaccines - Covid 19

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 1:33 pm
by hhinner
If it turns out to be less serious and more infectious maybe they should let it in so that it replaces the currently dominant Delta variant.

Re: Vaccines - Covid 19

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 3:05 pm
by HHTel
I thought about that. If the moronic strain became the dominant one, would that be a knock back for the others. But apparently it is possible to be infected by more than one variant.

Re: Vaccines - Covid 19

Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2021 6:51 pm
by hhinner
COVID-19 vaccinations are next available at HHH on 14 December. Primarily for people with appointments/queue numbers, but WALK-IN is also available.

The Pfizer/Pfizer option is no longer available. According to the HHH FB post the choices are now:
1st shot AZ or Sinovac
2nd shot AZ or Pfizer
The 3rd shot (booster) will then be AZ.

I'm wondering if 3 shots AZ/AZ/AZ can be right. Can it? Suspect that this may change by the time boosters arrive.
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Re: Vaccines - Covid 19

Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2021 4:13 pm
by hhinner
There's an announcement on https://m.facebook.com/ssjpcko/ (PKK public health) for people who had their first jab of AZ/Pfizer combo on 16-19 November. The 2nd jab will be changed to Moderna. It also says that if Pfizer is preferred to let the vaccination unit know.