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Big Boy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:04 am Then, there are 57 other countries using it, I assume at the same cost. The Sinovac marketing team must be the best in the world, selling an inferior product for 8x the cost of a product that is advertised as being better. Are all of these countries just as stupid/corrupt? Maybe.

buksida wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:11 am It has nothing to do with the product.

These countries do not want to piss China off because it pours billions into their infrastructure. It all too much politics and too little science.

joelle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:18 am What I don't understand is the countries which have a high percentage of vaccination (and no Sinovac) have now an amazing increase in cases and death
Makes you wonder ?

joelle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:18 am What I don't understand is the countries which have a high percentage of vaccination (and no Sinovac) have now an amazing increase in cases and death
Makes you wonder ?

But reducing something considerably is not the same as eliminating it. So, for instance, before getting vaccinated the chances of a 90-year-old catching and dying of COVID-19 were estimated to be roughly 2.8%.

After getting the jabs, the chances of the same illustrative 90-year-old catching and dying the disease are reduced to around 0.14%.

It's a very big reduction, but that jabbed 90-year-old nonetheless faces a roughly similar risk profile as an unjabbed 60-year-old (0.12%). Same thing for an 80-year-old, whose jabbed risk profile is close to that of an unjabbed 50-year-old. And so on.

The point here is that even if the vaccines were doing exactly what we expected of them, some people, especially the elderly, are still quite likely to die of COVID-19 - especially if there's a lot of it around.

Consider hospitalisations. Of the vaccinated people, some 3.5% were hospitalised. Of the unvaccinated people, some 8.4% were hospitalised.

In other words, the rate of hospitalisations per case was 2.4 times higher among those who were unvaccinated.

Or consider deaths. Of the vaccinated people who had caught Delta, around 2% sadly died. Of the unvaccinated people who had caught delta, around 5.6% died. Deaths-per-case among the unvaccinated were almost three times higher than in the vaccinated group.

Basically, it seems that whatever jab/jabs you get, you're probably going to need a booster of some sort with the ever changing variants. (Edit: and then wash, rinse and repeat every year.

HHTel wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:51 am

Basically, it seems that whatever jab/jabs you get, you're probably going to need a booster of some sort with the ever changing variants. (Edit: and then wash, rinse and repeat every year.

Exactly what's been happening with the 'flu jab for many years. The shot is modified twice a year in advance. Much of it being guesswork when some years they guess better than other years.

Compared to the 2019-2020 flu season, for example, the CDC estimated that more than 38 million became sick with influenza, leading to 400,000 hospitalizations and 22,000 deaths. That’s slightly lower than the 2018-2019 season (34,200 deaths) and significantly less than the 2017-2018 season (61,000 deaths).

Big Boy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:38 am

Lost wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:32 am I see a 'my vaccine's better than yours' thing has begun on the forum. That's a new one.

100% correct

“We’ve managed to eradicate smallpox and have almost eradicated polio, but I don’t think this could happen with flu,” says Oxford. “Unlike the others, it’s a bird virus. We’d need to kill every migrating duck, swan and goose on the planet.”

Now unlike measles, which comes in only one form, the influenza virus comes in several forms and changes year to year. And that's why each year we're pretty much susceptible to the influenza virus that's going around. And that's why we have to get vaccinated against influenza each year in the fall. And that's the best way to protect ourselves against this very serious disease. Getting ourselves vaccinated, and getting everyone in our family vaccinated.