Code of conduct in the Hua Hin real estate market ?????

[sargeant]

Clive i dont know what we are supposedly agreed on
i firmly believe that whilst standards ethics and codes of conduct are all vital they will be totally a waste of time without teeth to enforce them.

i also dont think that the cowboys are going to take a crap of notice of a self appointed toothless quangos rules.and fully expect them to use the by appointment to said awegusto body to attract the uninformed customers into their webs.they are probably already just waiting to hear what it is going to be called and got their business card printers on hold

i think the first meeting should be to get the local agencys police tessabahn etc to agree to remove business licences (visa) and set up a framework to enable that to be justly heard with interim stages up to removal (at this point the xenephobes will march in full tunic and bulled sneakers)
getting a correct balance between farang and thai represented on the so to speak judicial side is going to be extremely difficult
but without it the thing will turn into a talking shop
and may even make things worse for the odd customer

I will say again however i wish you all the best and will watch Hoping to be proved wrong

[clive]

Sargeant, what I agree on is that this country needs laws and rules in place and an effective policing of those rules. I just do not think that will ever happen, the only choice we have is to introduce a voluntary code of conduct and then promote that to the buying public, the idea is to make future customers realise that spending 150,000 GBP with a guy you just met in a bar or restaurant, who has no accreditation, is plain stupid. The dream would be to have a system like Australia where real estate agents have to be licensed, which only happens after a lengthy education program, but that just aint' gone happen. Remember that there are more Thai developers and agents then there ever will be foriegn owned or managed ones so every time you try to put controls and eforcement in place that has to be in place for everyone, including the locals, does anyone actually beleive that will happen?

[Super Joe]

Thats sums it up well Clive.
Sarge you're right about the law sorting people out but we can't do that.
This set up can however keep out the dodgy characters and give the public a list of companies who are 'approved' as doing things correctly and also give the buyers guidelines and regulations of what these companies should adhere to and provide for them.
If a developer then falls foul of the regulations the customer has recourse with the committee who will then do all they can to force the developer to rectify things.
The 'body' will have 'teeth' if they can secure the help from the people they are hoping for, ie: local government and police, Bangkok lawyers, architects etc.
Whether its perfect or not it will be a massive improvement on the situation now. We all right now have to try and make it work the best we can. People should wait until then to say whether they think it is good or not.

SJ

[hhfarang]

I've just read this entire thread (again) and while I think it is a good idea to try to get the unethical business practices in the Hua Hin real estate market under control, I wish you good luck. I'm afraid that some of the attendees of this meeting that will be making suggestions and steering the actions may be some of the biggest offenders. I know for a fact that two of the offenders are owners of one of the companies that sponsors this section of this forum (I didn't mention any names LEV).

Again, great idea but good luck, sort out the snakes in your midst and their motives before you take any suggestions seriously.

[clive]

Good piont HHFarang, I actually think that the outlaws will be exactly that and will not cherish the idea of becoming an inlaw and finding themselves subject to outside controls. Greed and discipline appear not to be good bed fellows.

[huahinsimon]

Clive, Joe, Sarg, Peter, 88, Jockey, moja, rzr, splitlid, et all, I see some diverse and a lot of converging opinions here. I think momentum and synergy are being created out of nothing. Well nothing that was present about a week ago. reminds me of the 100th monkey theory.

anyway, let the bad guys stay way, by their absence ye shall know them. Those who do come on a reconnisance mission may learn something-- Hopefully that the tide is turning. this whole association idea may have to power itself with no govt assistance. So be it. It can still work as a voluntary association if they members can pull together and promote it. I know that I and many other skewered buyers would have lept at the opportunity to have the assurances an independent trade association can at least attempt to offer.

Yes, I suppose its possible for a counter association of the doubtful and dubious to form and present themselves as legit, But I think they would have a real hard time coming up with testimonials of real people who are real satisified with their work. However, if the media turn a cold shoulder because they are in the pockets of the kabal, well that will be a tought nut to crack.

poco a poco llegaremos muy lejos. or the journey of 1000 miles starts with the first step

HHS

[T.I.G.R.]

hhfrarang -

Not to stir anything up, but I don't know most of the posters on this forum so when you say two of the sponsors of HHAD and the Forum are "offenders" you leave me wondering.

Are the two sources you mention a part of this continuing discussion or have they abstained?

It seems to me this idea and discussion are really coming to a good end; that being the good guys getting together to help weed out or at least identify the "bad" guys so potential buyers have and idea of who may be a good vendor and who may be at least suspect.

So....just as a general question, if you can answer a yes or no that would be the end of my inquiry.

Thanks.

[Lev]

This thread is again coming close to the edge, it is too easy for some members to make accusations whilst hiding behind a safe curtain of anonymity on the internet. We will however leave it running until after the meeting tomorrow, by then we will have enough information to make our own decisions regarding the role of this forum in the assistance and facilitation of the venture.

[Super Joe]

I think momentum and synergy are being created out of nothing. Well nothing that was present about a week ago. reminds me of the 100th monkey theory.

Simon, please please leave this thread alone you can start another one all of your own, we have your constructive ideas for the body already and I promise I will bring them up at the meeting.
We can't spoil this important issue lets allow it to continue in a positive nature. Go away.

SJ

[PKBCXKT]

Dear All,

I thank you all for the input into this thread, a lot of it was very productive and informative. I also thank everyone who put whatever post here, it shows the interest. I also thank the guys who pm'd and showed support.

Tomorrow is the day where we have to get the baby to be borne. I think with all the positive responses we got we will have a successful birth.

Thanks and see you hopefully all tomorrow.

Peter Kraus/ Engel & Voelkers Hua Hin

PS.: Administrators, I think this thread had it and is done. Lets get together and discuss what future thread with real identities could be set up. Please close this thread now. Thanks!

[Lev]

Thread locked upon request of the OP, thanks to the majority for keeping it civil.