Political instability causes tourism losses of B50-100bn

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It doesn't look good on TV with riots and buses on fire.Most Aussie go to Phuket and talking to a travel agent friend of mine she said Thailand travel was down around 15%
Recession - bring it on cheaper petrol and my mortgage repayments have fallen heaps why cant we have recessions all the time
I suppose if your in the mining game here its a bit of a worry ,but the sporting industry and my property investments is booming

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Well, in the hot light of the day, I'll be honest, and controversial. Maybe it's a lesson they can, and obviously need, to learn.

Perhaps it's a good thing that they screw it up and lose countless billions of $. Might wake them up a little from their hubris, certainly as the average Thai will feel it in the pocket, which is the only time when anyone takes note of anything.

Might also help solve the political bickering and handbags.

If I was to show the same indifference to them that is shown to me sometimes then I would selfishly say "Keep screwing it up you idiots, som nam na, it's better for me if no tourists come!"

It is also worth remembering that the surrounding countries have, and are, getting their acts together on the tourist front and there are many alternative destinations that can be chosen which give better value/exchange rates/hospitality/security etc.

I still won't leave as I have chosen to reside here and have invested too much time and effort to walk away, not to mention that I enjoy it here, but people like me are not the ones they want, they just want the 2 weeker types that blow a few thousand $ in a quick "let's have a jolly good blow out" by the beach, then wave goodbye and give them the infamous "smile".

Personally, the locals couldn't be doing a worse job at it at the moment, so, off you go, screw it up, you lot know best, as usual.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink! :roll:

Maybe the only solution to it all is just to let them totally screw it up by themselves, sad as it is, but it won't be me or my family that suffers because of it, we'll be fine.

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spitfire wrote:If I was to show the same indifference to them that is shown to me sometimes then I would selfishly say "Keep screwing it up you idiots, som nam na, it's better for me if no tourists come!"
And they'll say "keep worrying about it on our behalf you stresscase farangs while we watch some more TV"
It is also worth remembering that the surrounding countries have, and are, getting their acts together on the tourist front and there are many alternative destinations that can be chosen which give better value/exchange rates/hospitality/security
No bugger ever leaves and goes there though!?!?

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Maybe SJ.......maybe! :thumb:
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With all my bad habits I will prefer to stay in The land of smile (greed). I am smoker, drinker and a lazy joker ! Europe are to expensive. Back in Norway I have to pay 400 THB for a packet of cigarettes and the same amount for a 1/2 litre of beer. A dinner on a decent restaurant for me and my girlfriend will set me back 7000 - 10000 THB. I think I will stay here forever ! :cheers: F... what you said I don`t want you back (Norway).... :)
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What is the price of a pack of throat raspers (Marlborough red) or the slightly smoother LM Reds? at the mo?

Lazerlab, As a smoker i couldnt afford to buy cigarettes in the Uk all the time, And if i didnt have the means of buying duty free tobacco I certainly wouldnt be paying 600 ish Baht equiv for a pouch of Drum or Golden virginia.
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Bluezephyr - LMs were about 50 baht before Chrissy. Marlboro's about 55 to 60. Really not much of an increase in 4 years. I agree with you - I get one pack a week in the UK and the rest of the time it's 'duty free' stuff whenever possible. Although it is becoming more and more scarce due to crack downs and I've heard that 2 murders in my home city last year were due to tobacco supplies rather than drugs, which is scary.
Also, while I agree with Spitfires view on 'let them mess it up' tourism wise to some extent, I'm not convinced that Thai people in general would eventually see the error of their ways in losing tourist income.
We have discussed this Thai mind set before in terms of global recession and the after effects of Swampy. We have worried about how some Thais will manage without our dollars, euros and pounds, and how they will cope with returning to work the rice in their villages.
I still believe that most don't give a flying banana. A view which has only been reinforced by some comments on that Radio 4 link.
Maybe we should turn the situation around and consider how WE would feel about the potential effect of losing tourists to the UK for example. Would we honestly see it as a threat to our livelyhoods? How many people in the UK would gladly see an end to the monarchy here, without a second thought about subsequent losses in tourist revenue? I would guess quite a lot!
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I don’t think most Thais see past the end of their nose. I’ve never met a Thai including my wife who can sit back, look at a situation and understand how it affects them directly/indirectly.
I’m tired of reading about the criminal bad guy versus the Oxford educated good guy… In my opinion; PM Abhisit has an opportunity to become a great leader. He would need to bring the two side together. Not sure how but maybe start on common ground and work from there…
I’m worried that this carries on and progressively gets more and more violent to a point where you wont want to live in Thailand anymore.
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I firmly believe that most Thais don't give a fig about tourism, they live in their own little World and most of them could not point to Europe or the USA on a map. :(

Anyway, we in the UK have other things to worry about if the latest figures are correct.

I fully expect unemployment to rise to 3 million if the World recession continues as it is.

These figures look very bad.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8015704.stm
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I’m worried that this carries on and progressively gets more and more violent to a point where you wont want to live in Thailand anymore.
I come from the UK....a country with a 25 year history of constant and serious domestic terrorism. Terrorism committed by one of the best at it - PIRA.

Now, considering that....what makes you think a bunch of pig ignorant redshirt dummies from Thailand with all the strategic thinking and planning of a Accrington Housebrick will scare me off...... look at them.... clownshoes.

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Im not a tourist. They arent coming at the moment, and theres no sign of the situation improving....so the wont be coming in the future either. A mate of mine in the UK said the TV coverage of the recent shit made it look like Bangkok was the Lebanon or Srebrinitza.

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sandman67 wrote:
I’m worried that this carries on and progressively gets more and more violent to a point where you wont want to live in Thailand anymore.
I come from the UK....a country with a 25 year history of constant and serious domestic terrorism. Terrorism committed by one of the best at it - PIRA.

Now, considering that....what makes you think a bunch of pig ignorant redshirt dummies from Thailand with all the strategic thinking and planning of a Accrington Housebrick will scare me off...... look at them.... clownshoes.

However

Im not a tourist. They arent coming at the moment, and theres no sign of the situation improving....so the wont be coming in the future either. A mate of mine in the UK said the TV coverage of the recent shit made it look like Bangkok was the Lebanon or Srebrinitza.

Som Nam Na!

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Very true SM most Brits are brought up with and thrive on adversity and have learnt to duck when the sh*t hits the fan.

It's the tourist families that are not street wise that will be avoiding these places and going too Disney land and the like.

Maybe what Thailand needs is a good cr*p fight to sort this out once and for all, as the present situation is just eating away at the tourist industry a bit at a time and will eventually finish it off for good.

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Im not a tourist. They arent coming at the moment, and theres no sign of the situation improving....so the wont be coming in the future either. A mate of mine in the UK said the TV coverage of the recent shit made it look like Bangkok was the Lebanon or Srebrinitza.
Unfortunately, from speaking to my colleagues here, the one news clip that really got peoples attention was that one of fully equipped assault troops firing M16’s down a street in central Bangkok that was shown repeatedly on news channels world-wide. ( The fact that they were firing blanks wasn’t immediately obvious.)
None of the demonstrations before from either side, even with burning buses and closed airports, looked any different from your average riot that happens in Europe every time there is an economic summit.
One of the main reasons people I know are worried about coming to thailand is not the danger, it’s the fact that they don’t want to have their holiday messed up by transport infrastructure being unavailable, whether it be the airport or roads that are blocked.
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You are right Steve, the TV coverage of Bangkok was repeated incessantly, with the pics of armed troops. And the footage of the bus being driven directly into another one made 'good' viewing as well.
I'm asking myself why this media emphasis on Thailand? For one - the Bangkok demos followed quite soon after the huge airport disruption, and the nightclub fire. The ASEAN summit was wrecked, which is also major news.
But then we find that there is maybe more to the police involvement in the death of a protester at the London G20 summit than first came out. Maybe Bangkok news was a convenient diversion for some TV news channels? But there does seem to be over emphasis on Thailands problems generally. Which is fine for those of us who watch because we are genuinely concerned, and can understand that problems are often fairly localised. For those people starting to plan holidays it did indeed look like a war zone.
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