Global Warming/Climate Change 2

[STEVE G]

Warming brings unwelcome change to Alaska villages
http://www.adn.com/2011/03/27/1778191/w ... hange.html

I was hoping you would challenge the 'hot-spot' and untrustworthy models claims.

If global warming was merely people putting thermometers in the wrong place or flawed climate modeling, the Arctic wouldn't be melting.

[STEVE G]

Oil tanker set for Northern Sea Route in icy May
http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/o ... te-icy-may

[MrPlum]

If global warming was merely people putting thermometers in the wrong place or flawed climate modeling, the Arctic wouldn't be melting.

You are the one who focussed so intently on the physics. The 'hot-spot' question challenges the physics. Or do you disagree? The information from satellites also appears to be excluded from the debate.

We have already agreed warming was taking place. The issue is one of credibility of the predictions, which are based on models. If the models are being fed false data, then the predictions are clearly going to be wrong.

You have also agreed the carbon trading system is inadequate to solve the problem. If the amount by which we can restrict warming has been exaggerated by 10x isn't this also an important piece of information?

There's the additional problem of the next two decades bringing cooling. Do you agree or disagree with his reasoning?

[STEVE G]

The issue is one of credibility of the predictions...

Exactly; have you seen who wrote that article?:
http://www.desmogblog.com/node/3228

[sargeant]

Mr Plum wrote

We have already agreed warming was taking place.

!!!!!!HOLY CRAP!!!!!! when did that happen

I have just given myself a raincheck i dont suppose it applies to me

To quote the life of Brian steve you lucky lucky bastard ive been on this forum for years and he wont even agree what day it is with me

smile Mr P you areon candid camera

[STEVE G]

You have also agreed the carbon trading system is inadequate to solve the problem.

I've often said that the only sensible way to cut emmisions was by reducing usage of fossil fuels:

"The only way for America's energy supply to be truly secure is by permanently reducing our dependence on oil. We're going to have to find ways to boost our efficiency so we use less oil. We've got to discover and produce cleaner, renewable sources of energy that also produce less carbon pollution, which is threatening our climate," said Obama. "And we've got to do it quickly."

Obama Proposes One-Third Cut in Oil Imports by 2025
http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/mar2011 ... 31-02.html

[STEVE G]

Critics' review unexpectedly supports scientific consensus on global warming
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me ... 2697.story

[STEVE G]

OTTAWA, April 8 /CNW/ - The Canadian government should stop lobbying the European Parliament and European Commission to weaken a popular EU climate measure aimed at reducing the carbon content of transportation fuels, say Canadian civil society groups in a letter sent to Harper government officials today.

The letter is in response to news that the Harper government has again threatened to take the EU's Fuel Quality Directive to the World Trade Organization if it contains higher carbon content values for tar sands derived crude than conventional fuel. It was sent today in advance of a seventh round of Canada-EU negotiations on a Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement beginning in Ottawa this Monday. Briefing notes attained under freedom of information laws have confirmed that CETA negotiations have been a venue for the Canadian government's campaign to undermine the popular EU Fuel Quality Directive (FQD).

"The European Union has popular and scientific support for its new fuel quality rules. They are rightly trying to phase out dirty fuel, which will absolutely have to include the Alberta tar sands," says Andrea Harden-Donahue, Energy and Climate Justice Campaigner with the Council of Canadians.

The letter highlights a number of lobbying efforts including two letters sent by the Canadian Ambassador in Brussels, Ross Hornby, to the head the European Commission's Environment Department, and a letter from a senior official at Natural Resources Canada. The issue has also been raised at a meeting between EU President Jose Manuel Barroso and Prime Minister Harper. While these efforts suggest little scientific basis for attributing tar sands as a high carbon crude, a recent study prepared for the European Commission adds to the significant body of scientific research confirming that the tar sands have a heavier carbon footprint.

"It's disturbing enough to think that the Government of Canada is running around the world acting like a lobbyist for the oil industry, but it's appalling that what this means in practice is that they are attacking clean energy policy in other countries," said Graham Saul, Executive Director of Climate Action Network Canada.

"Indigenous peoples who live in the midst of massive tar sands extraction have seen their human rights and way of life trampled upon by Canadian energy policy," adds Clayton Thomas-Muller, Tar Sands Campaigner of the Indigenous Environmental Network.

"This pattern of lobbying the EU to weaken climate policy is unacceptable. Further, trade agreements and rules should not be allowed to override social and environmental priorities," says the letter. "Rather than lobby to weaken the efforts of other countries, the Canadian government should focus on efforts that reduce emissions, support green jobs expansion and better regulate the serious social and environmental consequences of tar sands development."

[STEVE G]

The Oil and Gas Journal gets excited about global warming:

Arctic may reveal more hydrocarbons as shrinking ice provides access
http://www.ogj.com/index/article-displa ... .html.html

"Taking into account 30 years' global warming, it is reasonable to assume that in most of the shallow-water offshore locations in the Arctic surface pack ice coverage will drastically shrink over the next 20 years, even in winter.
This warming is thought to be essentially due to human activity (anthropogenic): the emission of greenhouse gases, the products of pollution generated under latitudes far removed from the Arctic, in industrialized countries."

[pharvey]

Hey Ho.....

Wind farms paid £900,000 to switch off for one night

Wind farms operators were paid £900,000 by the National Grid to disconnect their turbines for one night because the electricity was not needed.

[simv]

Not sure if this has been discussed before but I'd recommend an interesting documentary
The Great Global Warming Swindle, which is quite opposite to what is shown in An inconvenient Truth.

[PeteC]

A new surprise here, per the scientists. Pete

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/world/2 ... f-sunspots

[charlesh]

A program entitled "snowball earth" suggested that the big turn about occurred when tectonic and volcanic activity "suddenly" increased (millions of years ago) resulting in the heating cycle being turned "on". Governments are using the "climate change" excuse as a means to impose more taxes IMO and do nothing about population control, fauna/flora destruction or movement of peoples.
Bill Gates generous $1 Bill for inoculations for children while a nice gesture is in fact increasing the potential for chaos but put off forperhaps a generation.

[STEVE G]

Governments are using the "climate change" excuse as a means to impose more taxes IMO

Governments have rarely needed excuses to impose more taxes!
Considering the problem has been known about for decades, almost nothing has been done about it.

[STEVE G]

“I see this as one of the first big indicators of climate change impacts in the continental United States,” said research team member Thomas W. Swetnam, director of the Laboratory of Tree-Ring Research at The University of Arizona in Tucson. “We’re showing warming and earlier springs tying in with large forest fire frequencies. Lots of people think climate change and the ecological responses are 50 to 100 years away. But it’s not 50 to 100 years away — it’s happening now in forest ecosystems through fire.”

The University of Arizona Alumnus — 2006
More Large Forest Fires Linked to Climate Change
http://www.uagrad.org/Alumnus/gw/fire.html

Arizona wildfire sets new record at 469,000 acres
14 June 2011
(Reuters) - The wildfire that has roared out of control for more than two weeks through the pine forests of eastern Arizona set a record on Tuesday as the largest in state history, having consumed over 469,000 acres.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/ ... JD20110615