CHANGE TO LEASEHOLD

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CHANGE TO LEASEHOLD

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Hello

We bought a house in Hua Hin 4 years ago via the company route, do any of you have any experience of changing from company owned land to leasehold land.

Now that I have several Thai friends I am considering if this is a possibility that might give us more security if the Thai government were to make changes that had an adverse effect on foreigners that owned non operating companies solely for house purchase.

Even if I had a disagreement with the Thai friend in the future if I had at least a 30 year lease or maybe 30 x 2 the land would be of no interest to me as I would be long gone [I'm 60 now]

Do you know if the Thai has to prove they can afford to buy the land?

Any constructive advice welcome :cheers:
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Lady Biker

If the Thai Co is working for you why change it could be more problematic going the Leashold route.

If and When, How long is a piece of string the Govt ever decide to crack down on Thai Companies then Im sure they give you 6 mths to sell, convert to leasehold before they seize the land. There are thousands of Ex Pats out there using this method. One of the other Ex Pat sites carried out a recent survey/ poll on land ownership methiods, revealing Thai Co
at nearly 40 %. Quite high considering

Also do you think that the local Land depts could cope with this extra work
and how would they enforce it? What would this change do to the already
suffering property market?

No such thing as 30 x 30 Leashold. Alot scams down in phuket / Samui promising this all crap.

One last thought why not sell and rent. Plenty of bargains out there at the moment if you haggle. I would look at this option in my latter years to avoid any complications later with the house sale!

Anyway 60 is not old its the new 50

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I totally disagree with this. Why not register a leasehold on your land. Or a usufruct through your company?
It gives you a lot more safety.
You are thinking the right way IMO.
Do it.
Get a lawyer recommended by your embassy.
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loverboy44 wrote:I totally disagree with this. Why not register a leasehold on your land. Or a usufruct through your company?
It gives you a lot more safety.
You are thinking the right way IMO.
Do it.
Get a lawyer recommended by your embassy.
I agree with you Loverboy especially since the two years grace, given by the Thai Government three years ago, has now elapsed. Just because the law isn't enforced it doesn't make it legal to own land through nominee limited companies, and IMO, it is only a question of time before the something will happen in this regard; question is thought to what extent.

An added advantage with the lease route is also the cost saving of not having to pay the annual costs for the company.
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Everyones circumstances will differ and what they feel comfortable with...

The 2 yr grace period you mention. Are you referring to May 2006 when there was alot of speculation concerning Thai companies. I remember a few of our friends being unable to register their land under Thai company however 3 or 4 mths later everything was back to normal.

If and when Thai officials ever decide to clamp down on these companies then its simple THEN go leasehold or sell. Thai Companie have been around for a long time. I agree they are NOT perfect but if it works why change it.

Is a 30 Yr lease really good for anyone??

Do you want to buy a 8 million Baht house with a 30 yr lease on it?

Each to their own :thumb:
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Lady biker you need to make your own decision and what is best for your
particular situation.

Both methods have their pros and cons.

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lippy45 wrote:Lady biker you need to make your own decision and what is best for your
particular situation.

Both methods have their pros and cons.

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Does it harm you when your own company leases the land to you as a person?
In my opinion i don't like to have this sword above me that when one Thai politician leaves his bed in the morning on the wrong leg and decides to push the button and blow up all those Ltd's.
It does not make it more right to always repeat the same phrase that until now nothing happened.
It was and is illegal for a foreigner to own land in Thailand with or without a company.
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loverboy44 wrote:Does it harm you when your own company leases the land to you as a person?
In my opinion i don't like to have this sword above me that when one Thai politician leaves his bed in the morning on the wrong leg and decides to push the button and blow up all those Ltd's.
It does not make it more right to always repeat the same phrase that until now nothing happened.
It was and is illegal for a foreigner to own land in Thailand with or without a company.
It's not illegal for a company with a foreigner holding shares in that company to own land. Anyone who knows anything about the law knows this. Nominee shareholders are something else. As I said make up your own mind. I for one would choose to leave anything I have to my family.

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Ok to make it more simple for you Jimmy:

Foreigners can not own land in Thailand!

Full stop!
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loverboy44 wrote:Ok to make it more simple for you Jimmy:

Foreigners can not own land in Thailand!

Full stop!
I'll make it even more simpler for you BOYO.

A company can own land!
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For sure a properly formed and real company can own land.
However, ladybiker is probably referring more to 'shell' or 'front' companies that are usually dormant with their only asset being the piece of land they purchased in a work-around to try and circumvent the restrictions on land ownership by farangs. :shock:
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There are some exceptions but they are restricted by the BOI (Board of Investments). But this is not relevant for the OP i think.
It is a good idea to take a leasehold (or a usufruct) on your own property to have at least 30 years to own it.
Whatever all these property sharks say!
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ladybiker wrote:We bought a house in Hua Hin 4 years ago via the company route, do any of you have any experience of changing from company owned land to leasehold land.
Do you know if the Thai has to prove they can afford to buy the land?
Yes done it a few times, it was completely straight forward no hassles/questioning etc due to it being a Limited Company, and there was no questioning of the new buyer about proof of funds, the land office just require you to pay the taxes on the sale amount and lease registration.

It's about the individuals comfort level at the risks associated with nominee shareholder set-up versus whether they consider 30 years long enough. If you do transfer the land to a Thai national be sure to register the house in your personal name at the same time, if it's not done already.

Personally I've got my house under my Limited Company and am not interested in changing that until a government in the future says we have to, although the advice from lawyers now for new buyers is don't start up a company but use leasse/Usufruct. Then I'd probably channge to a Usufruct rather than lease as you get the rights to stay there for the rest of your lifetime, but this is dependant upon personal circumstances, and as you said "we" I'm not sure about a Usufruct for two names!?!?

The last time there was a proposed (it was dropped before it got approved) new act tightening up on foreign/nominee shareholding for companies carrying out business under list 1 & 2 of the FBA (ie: did not include list 3 which our companies should be set-up under) it proposed that you had a period of 12 months to re-structure your shareholding. You can register a lease in 12 hours. There was plenty of advance warning too, the drafts were talked about in public and would have taken something like 6 months to get approved through the various government assembly voting stages.

I suppose an overnight emergency act could come into force and we wake up with the army knocking on our doors to kick us out :D

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Super Joe wrote:...and as you said "we" I'm not sure about a Usufruct for two names?
It can be done SJ. My lawyer has told me that he has managed to register a usufruct with two names for his clients but not every land office will accept it as they sometimes seem to create their own rules. I heard for instance that it is virtually impossible to register a usufruct in Ban Chang.

Edited due to spelling error.
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