Here's a sad description of the de-humanizing aspects of being labelled a 'Mental Patient'.
To Be a Mental Patient
by Rae Unzicker (1948-2001)
To be a mental patient is to be stigmatized, ostracized, socialized, patronized, psychiatrized.
To be a mental patient is to have everyone controlling your life but you. You're watched by your shrink, your social worker, your friends, your family. And then you're diagnosed as paranoid.
To be a mental patient is to live with the constant threat and possibility of being locked up at any time, for almost any reason.
To be a mental patient is to live on $82 a month in food stamps, which won't let you buy Kleenex to dry your tears. And to watch your shrink come back to his office from lunch, driving a Mercedes Benz.
To be a mental patient is to take drugs that dull your mind, deaden your senses, make you jitter and drool and then you take more drugs to lessen the "side effects."
To be a mental patient is to apply for jobs and lie about the last few months or years, because you've been in the hospital, and then you don't get the job anyway because you're a mental patient. To be a mental patient is not to matter.
To be a mental patient is never to be taken seriously.
To be a mental patient is to be a resident of a ghetto, surrounded by other mental patients who are as scared and hungry and bored and broke as you are.
To be a mental patient is to watch TV and see how violent and dangerous and dumb and incompetent and crazy you are.
To be a mental patient is to be a statistic.
To be a mental patient is to wear a label, and that label never goes away, a label that says little about what you are and even less about who you are.
To be a mental patient is to never to say what you mean, but to sound like you mean what you say.
To be a mental patient is to tell your psychiatrist he's helping you, even if he is not.
To be a mental patient is to act glad when you're sad and calm when you're mad, and to always be "appropriate."
To be a mental patient is to participate in stupid groups that call themselves therapy. Music isn't music, its therapy; volleyball isn't sport, it's therapy; sewing is therapy; washing dishes is therapy. Even the air you breathe is therapy and that's called "the milieu."
To be a mental patient is not to die, even if you want to -- and not cry, and not hurt, and not be scared, and not be angry, and not be vulnerable, and not to laugh too loud -- because, if you do, you only prove that you are a mental patient even if you are not.
And so you become a no-thing, in a no-world, and you are not.
Rae Unzicker © 1984
Psychiatry - A Dark Art
Good outcome. niggle can perhaps explain why it worked?hhfarang wrote:I had an aunt who went what appeared to be completely crazy (late 50's or early 60's) and they put her in a asylum for the mentally ill for about six months where she underwent extensive shock therapy treatments among other things. She came out her old normal self again and still appears to be normal today, so something they did worked.
As stated previously I am studying what is known as EFT or the 'Emotional Freedom technique'. The basic premise is that psychiatry does not work because the problems do not lie at the level of the intellect. They are caused by blocked energy. EFT claims to remove blockages and restore energy flow. The problem then dissolves. Free info here... http://www.emofree.com/ There are many video examples of it being used. One where they successfully apply EFT to 6 hospitalized vets from the Vietnam war.
Could it be that a blast of electricity (ECT) might also free some blockages?
Mantra meditation also operates on the energetic principle, whereby sound is used therapeutically to change the energetic structure of the mind.
I believe 'Energetic Medicine' has some exciting possibilities.
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Nitpicking
I read what you say and reply. You do seem to have a problem with people who disagree with you.
Rae Unzicker read that I cannot agree because that
1. Refers to hospitals in the US and I have never worked there.
2. It seems to be an extremely biased view
Fact
I have visited a home regularly for the severely mentally handicapped.
These were people that that cannot be cured for a variety of reasons, usually from some injury. The care for these people was excellent although they had not got the mental ability to recognize this. Brain damage can be caused in two ways physical or psychological.
These were physically brain damaged patients. Next door was a hospital for the psychologally damaged patients.
Some stayed for a week some a longer and some were there for ever as they were unable to be cured. But the care for these patients was good
What I find amazing about you posts is the way you always look for the worst case scenatios, come into the real world yes there is bad but in this day and age the majority treatment is superb.
You say you are studying EFT does this mean you will have a qualification
or are you simply reading about it absorbing the bits that you want.
Will you be an expert on EFT
SJ good post
I read what you say and reply. You do seem to have a problem with people who disagree with you.
Rae Unzicker read that I cannot agree because that
1. Refers to hospitals in the US and I have never worked there.
2. It seems to be an extremely biased view
Fact
I have visited a home regularly for the severely mentally handicapped.
These were people that that cannot be cured for a variety of reasons, usually from some injury. The care for these people was excellent although they had not got the mental ability to recognize this. Brain damage can be caused in two ways physical or psychological.
These were physically brain damaged patients. Next door was a hospital for the psychologally damaged patients.
Some stayed for a week some a longer and some were there for ever as they were unable to be cured. But the care for these patients was good
What I find amazing about you posts is the way you always look for the worst case scenatios, come into the real world yes there is bad but in this day and age the majority treatment is superb.
You say you are studying EFT does this mean you will have a qualification
or are you simply reading about it absorbing the bits that you want.
Will you be an expert on EFT
SJ good post
Woke up this morning breathing that's a good start to the day.
After completing the basic course at home, I went to Phuket last year and received practical training from an EFT/NLP practitioner and mentioned it here at the time. There are psychiatrists and psychologists who are adopting this method and other meridian-based therapies such as EMDR. They do so because they see that it works rapidly (sometimes within minutes). Certification and Insurance is available on completing level II. There are refinements (at a price) but in most instances they are not needed. The basic technique achieves (it's claimed) a 60% success rate, while more experience brings it to 70%.lindosfan1 wrote:You say you are studying EFT does this mean you will have a qualification or are you simply reading about it absorbing the bits that you want. Will you be an expert on EFT
In Hua Hin, Chiva-Som have, or had, a visiting practitioner to treat the well-heeled. http://www.articlesbase.com/quit-smokin ... 22587.html
As for me, I'm always looking for volunteers to build up my experience. (Use it or lose it.)
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Suggest you read this
Emotional Freedom Techniques is the creation of Gary Craig, an energy healer who would fit well in any New Age borough. Gary is always smiling and happy because he has found the cause and cure for almost everything, and he really wants to help you. He loves you and cares for you. How do I know? He says so on his website:
I hope this doesn't sound too grandiose but you just walked into the most successful health innovation in the last 100 years. Based on impressive new discoveries regarding the body's subtle energies, Emotional Freedom Techniques (EFT) has been astonishingly successful in thousands of clinical cases. It applies to just about every emotional and physical issue you can name and often works where nothing else will.
Subtle energies is the scientific term for chi (prana, ki, orgone), those mysterious energies that are in constant need of balancing, harmonizing, unblocking, channeling, funneling, and transferring in order to maintain perfect health. If you doubt Gary's word, you can read the testimonials from dozens of people who have been cured of everything under the sun by this fabulous therapy.
You'll feel welcome at Gary's site. He's loving and caring, as are all his staff. And you matter. He treats the person, not the disease. Let's cut to the chase. Basically, Gary's discovered what traditional healers have known for millennia: if you can relax people, they become suggestible and you can relieve their stress, ease their minds, and allow their bodies to heal themselves. Gary's discovery came when he found out he could cure people by using acupuncture without the needles. He stimulates so-called energy meridian points on the body by tapping them with his fingertips. This kind of therapy is attractive to many people because it uses no drugs. Therefore, it is unlikely that there will be any side effects. It apparently did not occur to Gary that maybe he had tapped into the placebo effect or the power of suggestion. He may even be using cold reading techniques without being aware of it. Why accept simple psychological explanations when a complex mystical one is available?
Of course, the gimmick wouldn't be complete if Gary didn't remind us that he knows about ancient wisdom (he is following a time-honored Eastern tradition that has been around for over 5,000 years, he says, though acupuncture has not been around nearly that long. It has a recorded history of about 2,000 years.*). Plus, Gary knows about modern science. He says Albert Einstein "told us back in the 1920's that everything (including our bodies) is composed of energy." (This is the golden rule for New Age quacks: when in doubt, quote Einstein and mention quantum physics.) Thirdly, Gary tells us that "these ideas have been largely ignored by Western Healing Practices." (He should have added "with good reason.") What Gary forgets to tell us is that the so-called subtle energy of acupuncture has nothing in common with the energy in E=mc2. When you unblock that kind of energy you get nuclear weapons or power, not miraculous health cures. The reason these ideas have been largely ignored by conventional Western doctors is because they are nonsensical. Both the meridians and the subtle energy that supposedly flows along them are mythical entities. If Gary's methods are helping anyone, it is because he is touching them, relaxing them, reducing their stress.
Bob Park explains very simply and clearly how the placebo effect works in contexts like EFT:
Once we are convinced of the healing power of a doctor or a treatment, something very remarkable happens: a sham treatment induces real biological improvement. This is the placebo effect. Healers have relied on the placebo effect for thousands of years, but until recently, it was usually referred to as the "mysterious" placebo effect. Scientists, however, are beginning to understand the complex interaction of the brain and the endocrine system that gives rise to the placebo effect.
People seek out a doctor when they experience discomfort or when they believe that something about their body is not right. That is, they suffer pain and fear. The response of the brain to pain and fear, however, is not to mobilize the body's healing mechanisms but to prepare it to meet some external threat. It's an evolutionary adaptation that assigns the highest priority to preventing additional injury. Stress hormones released into the bloodstream increase respiration, blood pressure, and heart rate. These changes may actually impede recovery. The brain is preparing the body for action; recovery must wait.
The first objective of a good physician, therefore, is to relieve stress. That usually involves assuring patients that there is an effective treatment for their condition and that the prospects for recovery are excellent—if they will just follow the doctor's instructions. Since we recover from most of the things that afflict us, the brain learns to associate recovery with visits to the doctor. Most of us start to feel better before we even leave the doctor's office. (Voodoo Science: The Road from Foolishness to Fraud. Oxford University Press, 2001, pp. 50-51.)
So, the metaphysical mumbo jumbo that accompanies Gary Craig's tapping with his fingers is unnecessary baggage. He could tell you to take two of these little blue pills twice a day for two weeks and probably have just as many satisfied customers as the EFT folks. One difference, however, is that we have a way to test whether those little blue pills are a placebo or not. But we cannot do a randomized, double-blind controlled experiment on subtle energy being unblocked along meridians by either the insertion of needles or the tapping of fingers. This is good because nobody can do a scientific test to prove that EFT is bunk.
In case you're wondering whether Gary Craig is another medical doctor gone astray, the answer is no. He tells us on his website that he is "a Stanford engineering graduate and an ordained minister and, although we don't pound the table for God here, I do come at this procedure from a decidedly spiritual perspective." I feel safer already. His mentor was Dr. Roger Callahan, the inventor of Thought Field Therapy (TFT). The theory behind TFT is that negative emotions cause energy blockage and if the energy is unblocked then the fears will disappear. Tapping acupressure points is thought to be the means of unblocking the energy. Allegedly, it only takes five to six minutes to elicit a cure. Dr. Callahan claims an 85% success rate. He even does cures over the phone using "Voice Technology" on infants and animals. He claims that by analyzing the voice he can determine what points on the body the patient should tap for treatment. You can take Callahan's course in Voice Technology for a mere $100,000. As you have no doubt surmised by now, Mr. Craig is a great judge of character.
Suggest you read this
Emotional Freedom Techniques is the creation of Gary Craig, an energy healer who would fit well in any New Age borough. Gary is always smiling and happy because he has found the cause and cure for almost everything, and he really wants to help you. He loves you and cares for you. How do I know? He says so on his website:
I hope this doesn't sound too grandiose but you just walked into the most successful health innovation in the last 100 years. Based on impressive new discoveries regarding the body's subtle energies, Emotional Freedom Techniques (EFT) has been astonishingly successful in thousands of clinical cases. It applies to just about every emotional and physical issue you can name and often works where nothing else will.
Subtle energies is the scientific term for chi (prana, ki, orgone), those mysterious energies that are in constant need of balancing, harmonizing, unblocking, channeling, funneling, and transferring in order to maintain perfect health. If you doubt Gary's word, you can read the testimonials from dozens of people who have been cured of everything under the sun by this fabulous therapy.
You'll feel welcome at Gary's site. He's loving and caring, as are all his staff. And you matter. He treats the person, not the disease. Let's cut to the chase. Basically, Gary's discovered what traditional healers have known for millennia: if you can relax people, they become suggestible and you can relieve their stress, ease their minds, and allow their bodies to heal themselves. Gary's discovery came when he found out he could cure people by using acupuncture without the needles. He stimulates so-called energy meridian points on the body by tapping them with his fingertips. This kind of therapy is attractive to many people because it uses no drugs. Therefore, it is unlikely that there will be any side effects. It apparently did not occur to Gary that maybe he had tapped into the placebo effect or the power of suggestion. He may even be using cold reading techniques without being aware of it. Why accept simple psychological explanations when a complex mystical one is available?
Of course, the gimmick wouldn't be complete if Gary didn't remind us that he knows about ancient wisdom (he is following a time-honored Eastern tradition that has been around for over 5,000 years, he says, though acupuncture has not been around nearly that long. It has a recorded history of about 2,000 years.*). Plus, Gary knows about modern science. He says Albert Einstein "told us back in the 1920's that everything (including our bodies) is composed of energy." (This is the golden rule for New Age quacks: when in doubt, quote Einstein and mention quantum physics.) Thirdly, Gary tells us that "these ideas have been largely ignored by Western Healing Practices." (He should have added "with good reason.") What Gary forgets to tell us is that the so-called subtle energy of acupuncture has nothing in common with the energy in E=mc2. When you unblock that kind of energy you get nuclear weapons or power, not miraculous health cures. The reason these ideas have been largely ignored by conventional Western doctors is because they are nonsensical. Both the meridians and the subtle energy that supposedly flows along them are mythical entities. If Gary's methods are helping anyone, it is because he is touching them, relaxing them, reducing their stress.
Bob Park explains very simply and clearly how the placebo effect works in contexts like EFT:
Once we are convinced of the healing power of a doctor or a treatment, something very remarkable happens: a sham treatment induces real biological improvement. This is the placebo effect. Healers have relied on the placebo effect for thousands of years, but until recently, it was usually referred to as the "mysterious" placebo effect. Scientists, however, are beginning to understand the complex interaction of the brain and the endocrine system that gives rise to the placebo effect.
People seek out a doctor when they experience discomfort or when they believe that something about their body is not right. That is, they suffer pain and fear. The response of the brain to pain and fear, however, is not to mobilize the body's healing mechanisms but to prepare it to meet some external threat. It's an evolutionary adaptation that assigns the highest priority to preventing additional injury. Stress hormones released into the bloodstream increase respiration, blood pressure, and heart rate. These changes may actually impede recovery. The brain is preparing the body for action; recovery must wait.
The first objective of a good physician, therefore, is to relieve stress. That usually involves assuring patients that there is an effective treatment for their condition and that the prospects for recovery are excellent—if they will just follow the doctor's instructions. Since we recover from most of the things that afflict us, the brain learns to associate recovery with visits to the doctor. Most of us start to feel better before we even leave the doctor's office. (Voodoo Science: The Road from Foolishness to Fraud. Oxford University Press, 2001, pp. 50-51.)
So, the metaphysical mumbo jumbo that accompanies Gary Craig's tapping with his fingers is unnecessary baggage. He could tell you to take two of these little blue pills twice a day for two weeks and probably have just as many satisfied customers as the EFT folks. One difference, however, is that we have a way to test whether those little blue pills are a placebo or not. But we cannot do a randomized, double-blind controlled experiment on subtle energy being unblocked along meridians by either the insertion of needles or the tapping of fingers. This is good because nobody can do a scientific test to prove that EFT is bunk.
In case you're wondering whether Gary Craig is another medical doctor gone astray, the answer is no. He tells us on his website that he is "a Stanford engineering graduate and an ordained minister and, although we don't pound the table for God here, I do come at this procedure from a decidedly spiritual perspective." I feel safer already. His mentor was Dr. Roger Callahan, the inventor of Thought Field Therapy (TFT). The theory behind TFT is that negative emotions cause energy blockage and if the energy is unblocked then the fears will disappear. Tapping acupressure points is thought to be the means of unblocking the energy. Allegedly, it only takes five to six minutes to elicit a cure. Dr. Callahan claims an 85% success rate. He even does cures over the phone using "Voice Technology" on infants and animals. He claims that by analyzing the voice he can determine what points on the body the patient should tap for treatment. You can take Callahan's course in Voice Technology for a mere $100,000. As you have no doubt surmised by now, Mr. Craig is a great judge of character.
Woke up this morning breathing that's a good start to the day.
psychology
Mr Plum You are my Idol! You are SO right on with your assessments that it is as if I wrote them myself. We should meet when I visit in Oct.
Prostating to the master
LAN
Prostating to the master
LAN
My very words! If everyone would need to pay even part of the costs of mental therapy, many of the Great MattersSTEVE G wrote:I think there is obviously a big difference between serious mental illness and what are basically normal healthy individuals seeking therapy for what are basically lifestyle problems.
Coming from what is basically a pretty masculine background in the aviation industry, I'm always shocked by the number of people in other fields who seek this kind of therapy for what to me are nothing more than the basic trials of life.
I think the main contributing factor is the fact that most people are getting this for free from a social welfare system because I would be a lot more depressed after paying for that sort of treatment out of my own pocket, as I would have to!
such as having an in-grown toenail or having a squall of rain ruin half of your éclairs in your garden party would not
automatically lead into years of intense therapy. From sidelines it appears being a vogue to seek Kraft durch Therapy
for some of trials and tribulations of Life others hardly notice.
I freely admit never having had any mental therapy, and do realize this very fact being a proof positive of my
dire need of therapy. I also admit that the fact I admit being in need of therapy in fact is just camouflaged
reversal of counter-denial of the need of therapy.
"There's no plausible or convincing reason, certainly no evidential one, to believe that there is such an entity (= deity) and that all observable phenomena, including the cosmological ones... are explicable without the hypothesis; you don't need the assumption."
Understood lindosfan1. I have seen this before. If you go to the www.quackwatch.com site there are even more of these 'exposes'. In fact for EVERY alternative treatment out there you can bet there are acres of print dedicated to 'protecting the public' from 'frauds' and 'quacks'.
Whether you choose to heed them or not is really an individual decision.
Whether you choose to heed them or not is really an individual decision.
Glad to see you are beginning to warm to Hua Hin.LAnative wrote:We should meet when I visit in Oct.
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Yet again not a relevant reply you really are not on form.
Might I remind you of the definition of the word quack.
An unqualified perso who claims to have medical knowledge
Again what qualifications have you.
could you make a relevant reply
Might I remind you of the definition of the word quack.
An unqualified perso who claims to have medical knowledge
Again what qualifications have you.
could you make a relevant reply
Woke up this morning breathing that's a good start to the day.
meds
I am not a health professional but may I toss in my 2 cents as a consumer of said drugs?
I agree with BOTH niggle and Mr.Plum. It is well documented that pharmaceutical drug makers are some of the most profitable corporations in the world. They didn't get that way without lots of lobbying of the US Congress (think bribery), extensive marketing, over charging, making nice with doctors to push their product and selling drugs to those who may not really need them viz children. I myself have been on a variety of antidepressants and misprescribed anti-psychotics due to the results of a psych questionnaire alone. On them I had 2 traffic accidents in one day, minor fortunately. But the cure was worse than the disease, much like cancer drugs which often kill the guinea pig/patient.
But niggle is also right in that chemical imbalances can be stabilized in the worst off enough to make them productive wage slaves and keep them out of jail. My sister is Bipolar and when on her drugs is very normal even funny. When she stops taking them she literally goes crazy. Nobody even knows where she is now.
Myself I have been on as many drugs as therapists I've been to. Each one had a different diagnosis and each prescribed a different drug with their ugly side effects. I also combine drugs with meditation (34 years of) and alternative supplements like the precursor amino acids to the deficient neurotransmitters, ALSO prescribed by 2 medical doctors .
There is no one size fits all therapy. Various combinations are usually required and IMHO the medical establishment either isn't advanced enough yet or it doesn't want to kill the goose that laid the golden egg with total cure. Chronic diseases are the ones that bring in the cash. Acute/emergency care here is excellent because it help keeps alive future paying customers. Failing that the doctors still get paid anyway. If we fail in our job we are fired.
While some generalizations may be a bit over the top, venting in a blog is also a form of therapy. Check the entries! Complaining about traffic in a town of 75,000 to me is a joke living in LA my entire life. But it makes the blogger feel better. No harm no foul. The beauty of the internet is you can "yell" about others without actually getting in their face or hurting their feelings directly. It also saves you from getting your face punched in.
VERY interesting thread subject, informative and melodramatic-as good as anything on TV.
Later
LAN
I agree with BOTH niggle and Mr.Plum. It is well documented that pharmaceutical drug makers are some of the most profitable corporations in the world. They didn't get that way without lots of lobbying of the US Congress (think bribery), extensive marketing, over charging, making nice with doctors to push their product and selling drugs to those who may not really need them viz children. I myself have been on a variety of antidepressants and misprescribed anti-psychotics due to the results of a psych questionnaire alone. On them I had 2 traffic accidents in one day, minor fortunately. But the cure was worse than the disease, much like cancer drugs which often kill the guinea pig/patient.
But niggle is also right in that chemical imbalances can be stabilized in the worst off enough to make them productive wage slaves and keep them out of jail. My sister is Bipolar and when on her drugs is very normal even funny. When she stops taking them she literally goes crazy. Nobody even knows where she is now.
Myself I have been on as many drugs as therapists I've been to. Each one had a different diagnosis and each prescribed a different drug with their ugly side effects. I also combine drugs with meditation (34 years of) and alternative supplements like the precursor amino acids to the deficient neurotransmitters, ALSO prescribed by 2 medical doctors .
There is no one size fits all therapy. Various combinations are usually required and IMHO the medical establishment either isn't advanced enough yet or it doesn't want to kill the goose that laid the golden egg with total cure. Chronic diseases are the ones that bring in the cash. Acute/emergency care here is excellent because it help keeps alive future paying customers. Failing that the doctors still get paid anyway. If we fail in our job we are fired.
While some generalizations may be a bit over the top, venting in a blog is also a form of therapy. Check the entries! Complaining about traffic in a town of 75,000 to me is a joke living in LA my entire life. But it makes the blogger feel better. No harm no foul. The beauty of the internet is you can "yell" about others without actually getting in their face or hurting their feelings directly. It also saves you from getting your face punched in.
VERY interesting thread subject, informative and melodramatic-as good as anything on TV.
Later
LAN
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Psychiatry - a dark art
Mr P - thank you for those links. I've just spent the best part of 2 hours digesting the info and doing a reply, only to lose it. So am about to reach for the valium!
Will try to cope with it again tomorrow
Will try to cope with it again tomorrow
A sprout is for life - not just for Christmas.
I don't think there is any doubt that there are times when we all need help. Extreme cases clearly need specialist care, how do you control a violent patient or someone who is self-harming? If there were no chemical control, would the bridge-jumper jump? But even in these cases, is what is offered the best care? One of the ways to test whether the system we have in place is valid is to check it against other countries. Do other countries use chemical 'coshes', lobotomy and ECT? Or do they, like China, execute people and harvest their organs? Why is suicide respected (and sometimes revered) in Japan. Would they try and stop the bridge-jumper or read his death poem?
ALL of us are qualified to ask these questions by virtue of being ex-customers, existing customers, potential customers, concerned citizens, parents, health consumers, 'crusaders', 'investigators', 'truth-seekers' and because we are allowed free speech. Whatever floats your boat. There is no requirement in forum rules that everyone who posts on here should be professionally qualified. There is plenty of material online written by professionals ('a few docs'). Can't see how presenting it makes anyone a 'charlatan'. Comments like these are ludicrous.
"They take The Hippocratic Oath!!" (with venom)
I can't believe anyone would fall back on this as a defence. The medical systems we have are awash with violence. You might not like to hear it but why do you think people are looking elsewhere? Hippocrates also wrote a 'bible' of 400 herbs. So much for the 'father of medicine'.
I await the usual culprits.
margaret
Sorry to hear you lost your work. If you write initially to a notepad or word processor, you can save regularly or have the system do so automatically. Then paste it in when finished. You probably already know that.
Here's a recap while you put humpty back together again...
Questioning Psychiatry
'Biological-psychiatry's official theory describes psychological or personal problems as having a biological origin caused by genetic or chemical 'imbalances' to be corrected by drugs and other interventions like Electro-Convulsive Therapy [ECT] or insulin shock. These widely used but controversial methods in official medicine have been for many years amply invalidated, showing clearly that they are absolutely unscientific, that they tend to alienate patient's rights, are unable to solve the problems presented, are dangerous for one's health, and are submissive to pharmaceutical companies.'
More...
'Psychiatric treatments are harmful. All psychiatric treatments are harmful. Psychiatric drugs, ECT (electric shock) and brain surgery (lobotomy) each harm the individual and society. This sometimes goes against what we have been taught or indoctrinated into believing, and also against what we would often like to believe. Taking a pill as a "cure" obviously is easier than confronting and dealing with the actual personal reasons for one's difficulties with their own mind and life. The alternative requires personal responsibility, control and can take time, but the final results far exceed the quick fix (drugs, shock, etc.). In fact, the "psychiatric" methods "fix" nothing at all and actually make things worse.
The field of psychiatry is rooted in German experimental psychology, racist eugenics theories, and anti-human materialistic opinions parading as scientific facts. The promotional activities and tremendous profits of the major drug companies and affiliated financial interests play no small part in understanding the development and success of modern psychiatry. The result of modern psychiatric theories and methods is the denial of everything comprising man's "inner" personality of thoughts, feelings, values, hopes, dreams, intentions, goals, and ultimately, life itself.
Much of modern education and all aspects of the social sciences are rooted in flawed modern theories of psychology. This has had and continues to have disastrous effects on individual people and society.
The links to information here supply a formidable basis of knowledge leading towards an accurate and true understanding of what psychiatry really is. Sources are referenced and much additional suggested reading material is given both on the Internet and in books. Your local psychiatrists will never refer you to this information.
Do not base your opinion only on what members of the psychiatric field tell you. Liquor manufacturers will not tell you their products cause liver damage, are the source of numerous automobile related deaths every year, and encourage you to cease drinking liquor. Similarly, no psychiatrist will tell you psychiatry harms people and that you should avoid it at all cost. Even if he or she knew or suspected this, he or she couldn't endure the loss of income, status and authority this would entail.
Psychiatry and the affiliated major drug companies form a huge money making enterprise (business) which can tolerate no criticism. Each psychiatrist has gone to school for many years, spent much money on their "education" (which I consider to largely be indoctrination into nonsense), and invested a good part of their life towards their "profession". It isn't easy for anyone, regardless of one's field, to flush years of education, expense, time spent in their field and one's source of a very good income down the toilet, much less also to confront that what one does for a living is fundamentally harmful to other people and society. Don't argue or even discuss the facts with them. Most of them won't listen, and instead will defend their opinions to the end while sarcastically and "authoritatively" criticizing the proponents of the truth
Psychiatry and modern psychology are primarily ideologies comprised of opinions, theories and beliefs with little basis in actual "science".'
ALL of us are qualified to ask these questions by virtue of being ex-customers, existing customers, potential customers, concerned citizens, parents, health consumers, 'crusaders', 'investigators', 'truth-seekers' and because we are allowed free speech. Whatever floats your boat. There is no requirement in forum rules that everyone who posts on here should be professionally qualified. There is plenty of material online written by professionals ('a few docs'). Can't see how presenting it makes anyone a 'charlatan'. Comments like these are ludicrous.
"They take The Hippocratic Oath!!" (with venom)
I can't believe anyone would fall back on this as a defence. The medical systems we have are awash with violence. You might not like to hear it but why do you think people are looking elsewhere? Hippocrates also wrote a 'bible' of 400 herbs. So much for the 'father of medicine'.
I await the usual culprits.
margaret
Sorry to hear you lost your work. If you write initially to a notepad or word processor, you can save regularly or have the system do so automatically. Then paste it in when finished. You probably already know that.
Here's a recap while you put humpty back together again...
Questioning Psychiatry
'Biological-psychiatry's official theory describes psychological or personal problems as having a biological origin caused by genetic or chemical 'imbalances' to be corrected by drugs and other interventions like Electro-Convulsive Therapy [ECT] or insulin shock. These widely used but controversial methods in official medicine have been for many years amply invalidated, showing clearly that they are absolutely unscientific, that they tend to alienate patient's rights, are unable to solve the problems presented, are dangerous for one's health, and are submissive to pharmaceutical companies.'
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'Psychiatric treatments are harmful. All psychiatric treatments are harmful. Psychiatric drugs, ECT (electric shock) and brain surgery (lobotomy) each harm the individual and society. This sometimes goes against what we have been taught or indoctrinated into believing, and also against what we would often like to believe. Taking a pill as a "cure" obviously is easier than confronting and dealing with the actual personal reasons for one's difficulties with their own mind and life. The alternative requires personal responsibility, control and can take time, but the final results far exceed the quick fix (drugs, shock, etc.). In fact, the "psychiatric" methods "fix" nothing at all and actually make things worse.
The field of psychiatry is rooted in German experimental psychology, racist eugenics theories, and anti-human materialistic opinions parading as scientific facts. The promotional activities and tremendous profits of the major drug companies and affiliated financial interests play no small part in understanding the development and success of modern psychiatry. The result of modern psychiatric theories and methods is the denial of everything comprising man's "inner" personality of thoughts, feelings, values, hopes, dreams, intentions, goals, and ultimately, life itself.
Much of modern education and all aspects of the social sciences are rooted in flawed modern theories of psychology. This has had and continues to have disastrous effects on individual people and society.
The links to information here supply a formidable basis of knowledge leading towards an accurate and true understanding of what psychiatry really is. Sources are referenced and much additional suggested reading material is given both on the Internet and in books. Your local psychiatrists will never refer you to this information.
Do not base your opinion only on what members of the psychiatric field tell you. Liquor manufacturers will not tell you their products cause liver damage, are the source of numerous automobile related deaths every year, and encourage you to cease drinking liquor. Similarly, no psychiatrist will tell you psychiatry harms people and that you should avoid it at all cost. Even if he or she knew or suspected this, he or she couldn't endure the loss of income, status and authority this would entail.
Psychiatry and the affiliated major drug companies form a huge money making enterprise (business) which can tolerate no criticism. Each psychiatrist has gone to school for many years, spent much money on their "education" (which I consider to largely be indoctrination into nonsense), and invested a good part of their life towards their "profession". It isn't easy for anyone, regardless of one's field, to flush years of education, expense, time spent in their field and one's source of a very good income down the toilet, much less also to confront that what one does for a living is fundamentally harmful to other people and society. Don't argue or even discuss the facts with them. Most of them won't listen, and instead will defend their opinions to the end while sarcastically and "authoritatively" criticizing the proponents of the truth
Psychiatry and modern psychology are primarily ideologies comprised of opinions, theories and beliefs with little basis in actual "science".'
"Let no one who has the slightest desire to live in peace and quietness be tempted, under any circumstances, to enter upon the chivalrous task of trying to correct a popular error."---William Thoms
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Psychiatry
The one problem man has is understanding the human brain it is like a very highly developed computer. Although scientists/ doctors are developing more knowledge. Until we fully understand the brain some of the more obscure cases can only be helped by experimentation.
Drugs are tested on animals before progressing to humans (which I disagree with) however there is still a chance that the drug is not correct, but better to attempt to cure than no cure at all.
Found this interesting, it is from a US site but it explains medical procedure, demonstrating that not all patients need medical treatment.
What's the difference between a psychologist and a psychiatrist?
That may sound like a setup for a knee-slapper, but it's actually a good question, and many people don't know the full answer.
It's not as simple as who tends to what, like the difference between a goatherd and shepherd. Both kinds of professionals treat people with problems that vary widely by degree and type, from mild anxiety to schizophrenia. Both can practice psychotherapy, and both can do research.
The short answer is, psychiatrists are medical doctors and psychologists are not. The suffix "-iatry" means "medical treatment," and "-logy" means "science" or "theory." So psychiatry is the medical treatment of the psyche, and psychology is the science of the psyche.
Their Credentials
Psychiatrists begin their careers in medical school. After earning their MD, they go on to four years of residency training in mental health, typically at a hospital's psychiatric department.
According to Marcia Goin, MD, past-president of the American Psychiatric Association and a clinical professor of psychiatry at the University of Southern California, psychiatric residencies include a range of subspecialized training, such as working with children and adolescents.
After completing their residency, these physicians can be licensed to practice psychiatry.
Psychologists go through five to seven years of academic graduate study, culminating in a doctorate degree. They may hold a PhD or a PsyD. Those who are mainly interested in clinical psychology -- treating patients as opposed to focusing on research -- may pursue a PsyD.
Licensing requirements for psychologists vary from state to state, but at least a one- or two-year internship is required to apply for a license to practice psychology.
Prescribing Powers
As medical doctors, psychiatrists can do what most psychologists in the United States cannot: They can prescribe drugs.
Recently the state of Louisiana allowed psychologists to write prescriptions after consulting with a psychiatrist, joining the state of New Mexico, which allowed psychologists to begin prescribing in 2002.
A common misconception about psychiatrists is that they only treat people with severe mental illness, like schizophrenia or bipolar disorder, diseases for which medication is the mainstay of treatment, leaving psychotherapy to psychologists and patients with less severe problems.
Psychiatrists who work at clinics and hospitals certainly see many hard cases. "The major patients they see are severely mentally ill, but there are others who are not," Goin tells WebMD. She says she practices a lot of psychotherapy in her private office and that most of her patients there are not on medication.
Increasingly, however, psychiatrists in private practice spend their time with medication management and not psychotherapy. Other mental health providers usually do therapy sessions, and when they see a patient who could benefit from medication, they send the patient to a psychiatrist for an evaluation and possibly a prescription.
Drugs are tested on animals before progressing to humans (which I disagree with) however there is still a chance that the drug is not correct, but better to attempt to cure than no cure at all.
Found this interesting, it is from a US site but it explains medical procedure, demonstrating that not all patients need medical treatment.
What's the difference between a psychologist and a psychiatrist?
That may sound like a setup for a knee-slapper, but it's actually a good question, and many people don't know the full answer.
It's not as simple as who tends to what, like the difference between a goatherd and shepherd. Both kinds of professionals treat people with problems that vary widely by degree and type, from mild anxiety to schizophrenia. Both can practice psychotherapy, and both can do research.
The short answer is, psychiatrists are medical doctors and psychologists are not. The suffix "-iatry" means "medical treatment," and "-logy" means "science" or "theory." So psychiatry is the medical treatment of the psyche, and psychology is the science of the psyche.
Their Credentials
Psychiatrists begin their careers in medical school. After earning their MD, they go on to four years of residency training in mental health, typically at a hospital's psychiatric department.
According to Marcia Goin, MD, past-president of the American Psychiatric Association and a clinical professor of psychiatry at the University of Southern California, psychiatric residencies include a range of subspecialized training, such as working with children and adolescents.
After completing their residency, these physicians can be licensed to practice psychiatry.
Psychologists go through five to seven years of academic graduate study, culminating in a doctorate degree. They may hold a PhD or a PsyD. Those who are mainly interested in clinical psychology -- treating patients as opposed to focusing on research -- may pursue a PsyD.
Licensing requirements for psychologists vary from state to state, but at least a one- or two-year internship is required to apply for a license to practice psychology.
Prescribing Powers
As medical doctors, psychiatrists can do what most psychologists in the United States cannot: They can prescribe drugs.
Recently the state of Louisiana allowed psychologists to write prescriptions after consulting with a psychiatrist, joining the state of New Mexico, which allowed psychologists to begin prescribing in 2002.
A common misconception about psychiatrists is that they only treat people with severe mental illness, like schizophrenia or bipolar disorder, diseases for which medication is the mainstay of treatment, leaving psychotherapy to psychologists and patients with less severe problems.
Psychiatrists who work at clinics and hospitals certainly see many hard cases. "The major patients they see are severely mentally ill, but there are others who are not," Goin tells WebMD. She says she practices a lot of psychotherapy in her private office and that most of her patients there are not on medication.
Increasingly, however, psychiatrists in private practice spend their time with medication management and not psychotherapy. Other mental health providers usually do therapy sessions, and when they see a patient who could benefit from medication, they send the patient to a psychiatrist for an evaluation and possibly a prescription.
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